[Tfug] 2 weeks of Hackintosh fun..

[Bowie J. Poag]

"The history also shows that Apple Computer Corporation wanted the 
benefits of open source development and community. This happened up to a 
point. Then it collapsed."

...When did GNU collapse? Or for that matter, the free *nix community in 
general?


Also, Darwin is easy to acquire. Here:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/

I'm sort of confused here why so many people are having a hard time 
wrapping their brain around the idea that free Unix is more than just 
Linux. Always has been. Some of us remember a time before there even 
WERE such things as Linux distributions..You got a hard drive to tinker 
with, created a partition, built a filesystem on it the kernel will know 
how to address, build a standard Unix tree filled with a kernel and 
pre-compiled goodies, and bootstrapped off a floppy until you can build 
a working MBR. Thats how it used to be done.  It was even worse before 
that. You had to compile your own kernel, which I always loathed. It's 
not like it is nowadays. Back then, it was "make", and go to sleep. It 
would probably be done by the time you woke up.





erich wrote:
> I see that,
>          It appears, just from the Wikipedia article, that this is not 
> easy to acquire, (Unless
> one has superb computer and network bandwith resources). For example, 
> it says there
> has not been an ISO image since Darwin 8.0
>          That's what I would want, an ISO image to create a LiveCD.
>          The history also shows that Apple Computer Corporation wanted 
> the benefits
> of open source development and community. This happened up to a point. 
> Then it
> collapsed.
>
>                                                                                                                          
> Erich
>
>
> Shawn Nock wrote:
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>> Bowie J. Poag wrote:
>> | Hi Shawn,
>> |
>> | Well, we aren't exactly talking "HAY GUYS GO HERE AND DOWNLOAD THIS 
>> L33T
>> | ISO MAKE UR OWN HACKINTOSH DEHHHH"... OS X != Darwin. Darwin is a 
>> free,
>> | open-source, POSIX-compliant BSD hybrid.
>>
>> Thanks for the wikipedia quote. You don't run "free, open source" 
>> Darwin.
>>
>> FOSS Darwin can't practically be compiled or used because of the
>> proprietary bits Apple has neglected to release. So, Darwin is far from
>> free... you must purchase the "whole package" from the vendor to do
>> anything with it (like run a Desktop environment). The situation breaks
>> down like this:
>>
>> ~  1. Choose the free version, it is intentionally crippled
>> ~  2. Buy the working version, get only binaries.
>>
>> If we are comparing Linux to Darwin on the FOSS versions. Linux wins by
>> virtue of compiling and booting.
>>
>> Someday some bright people may flesh out the corpse of Darwin into
>> something useful... but today Darwin is useless.
>>
>> | It's as Unix as anything
>> | else..perhaps stronger, since most of it's code was developed in-house
>> | and only opened later.
>>
>> I assume we are talking about the OS you are currently running on your
>> laptop. It is Unix... it is not Free Unix. Much of the kernel code on
>> your current OS, was *not* opened later.
>>
>> The kernel Apple uses for OS X is different (XNU, I think)
>>
>> It has a different name, but it's Darwin... with the ability to
>> successfully compile (Apple has the missing 'proprietary' bits).
>>
>> | ..And I certainly plead guilty to the murky legal implications of
>> | running a Hackintosh. The only thing "murky" is whether or not I 
>> choose
>> | to buy an OS X license from Apple or not.
>>
>> Even if you buy a license... you are are in violation of the license
>> agreement. You are infringing on your license by choosing a different
>> hardware vendor. Simplified, you are now (and for the foreseeable
>> future) infringing on Apple's "intellectual property" and legally liable
>> for this. That doesn't sound free or open.
>>
>> You obviously think the trade off is worth it (preference is a great
>> thing). Kudos, but if we may be pragmatic for a moment, MacOS X (and
>> Darwin) are not free and barely open.
>>
>> You run a Unix-like OS... that's great. Please stop calling it open or
>> free. It is okay that not everything is open and free, but some of us
>> take the *free* in "Tucson Free Unix Group" seriously and would
>> appreciate you not clouding the issue by invoking one of Apple's long
>> dead pet projects.
>>
>> A challenge, in good fun, boot the current version of Darwin on your
>> laptop... then tell me how good a FOSS OS it is, eh? Better yet,
>> actually run Darwin day-to-day and make all of your previous points 
>> valid.
>>
>> Shawn
>>
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>> Shawn Nock (OpenPGP: 0x4E549994)
>> nock at fastmail dot fm
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