[Tfug] 2 weeks of Hackintosh fun..
erich
erich1 at copper.net
Tue Nov 11 21:48:02 MST 2008
OK,
I looked at that, and I wants an ID and password. The webpage
does say that a binary image
is available. No, you don't need an ID and password to get a Linux/Free
Unix distro. The Wikipedia
article is therefore inaccurate. There is no such thing as a reference
work that is perfect.
Erich
Bowie J. Poag wrote:
>
> "The history also shows that Apple Computer Corporation wanted the
> benefits of open source development and community. This happened up to
> a point. Then it collapsed."
>
> ...When did GNU collapse? Or for that matter, the free *nix community
> in general?
>
>
> Also, Darwin is easy to acquire. Here:
>
> http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
>
> I'm sort of confused here why so many people are having a hard time
> wrapping their brain around the idea that free Unix is more than just
> Linux. Always has been. Some of us remember a time before there even
> WERE such things as Linux distributions..You got a hard drive to
> tinker with, created a partition, built a filesystem on it the kernel
> will know how to address, build a standard Unix tree filled with a
> kernel and pre-compiled goodies, and bootstrapped off a floppy until
> you can build a working MBR. Thats how it used to be done. It was
> even worse before that. You had to compile your own kernel, which I
> always loathed. It's not like it is nowadays. Back then, it was
> "make", and go to sleep. It would probably be done by the time you
> woke up.
>
>
>
>
>
> erich wrote:
>> I see that,
>> It appears, just from the Wikipedia article, that this is
>> not easy to acquire, (Unless
>> one has superb computer and network bandwith resources). For example,
>> it says there
>> has not been an ISO image since Darwin 8.0
>> That's what I would want, an ISO image to create a LiveCD.
>> The history also shows that Apple Computer Corporation
>> wanted the benefits
>> of open source development and community. This happened up to a
>> point. Then it
>> collapsed.
>>
>>
>> Erich
>>
>>
>> Shawn Nock wrote:
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>>> Bowie J. Poag wrote:
>>> | Hi Shawn,
>>> |
>>> | Well, we aren't exactly talking "HAY GUYS GO HERE AND DOWNLOAD
>>> THIS L33T
>>> | ISO MAKE UR OWN HACKINTOSH DEHHHH"... OS X != Darwin. Darwin is a
>>> free,
>>> | open-source, POSIX-compliant BSD hybrid.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the wikipedia quote. You don't run "free, open source"
>>> Darwin.
>>>
>>> FOSS Darwin can't practically be compiled or used because of the
>>> proprietary bits Apple has neglected to release. So, Darwin is far from
>>> free... you must purchase the "whole package" from the vendor to do
>>> anything with it (like run a Desktop environment). The situation breaks
>>> down like this:
>>>
>>> ~ 1. Choose the free version, it is intentionally crippled
>>> ~ 2. Buy the working version, get only binaries.
>>>
>>> If we are comparing Linux to Darwin on the FOSS versions. Linux wins by
>>> virtue of compiling and booting.
>>>
>>> Someday some bright people may flesh out the corpse of Darwin into
>>> something useful... but today Darwin is useless.
>>>
>>> | It's as Unix as anything
>>> | else..perhaps stronger, since most of it's code was developed
>>> in-house
>>> | and only opened later.
>>>
>>> I assume we are talking about the OS you are currently running on your
>>> laptop. It is Unix... it is not Free Unix. Much of the kernel code on
>>> your current OS, was *not* opened later.
>>>
>>> The kernel Apple uses for OS X is different (XNU, I think)
>>>
>>> It has a different name, but it's Darwin... with the ability to
>>> successfully compile (Apple has the missing 'proprietary' bits).
>>>
>>> | ..And I certainly plead guilty to the murky legal implications of
>>> | running a Hackintosh. The only thing "murky" is whether or not I
>>> choose
>>> | to buy an OS X license from Apple or not.
>>>
>>> Even if you buy a license... you are are in violation of the license
>>> agreement. You are infringing on your license by choosing a different
>>> hardware vendor. Simplified, you are now (and for the foreseeable
>>> future) infringing on Apple's "intellectual property" and legally
>>> liable
>>> for this. That doesn't sound free or open.
>>>
>>> You obviously think the trade off is worth it (preference is a great
>>> thing). Kudos, but if we may be pragmatic for a moment, MacOS X (and
>>> Darwin) are not free and barely open.
>>>
>>> You run a Unix-like OS... that's great. Please stop calling it open or
>>> free. It is okay that not everything is open and free, but some of us
>>> take the *free* in "Tucson Free Unix Group" seriously and would
>>> appreciate you not clouding the issue by invoking one of Apple's long
>>> dead pet projects.
>>>
>>> A challenge, in good fun, boot the current version of Darwin on your
>>> laptop... then tell me how good a FOSS OS it is, eh? Better yet,
>>> actually run Darwin day-to-day and make all of your previous points
>>> valid.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Shawn Nock (OpenPGP: 0x4E549994)
>>> nock at fastmail dot fm
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