[Tfug] 2 weeks of Hackintosh fun..

[erich]

I see that,
          It appears, just from the Wikipedia article, that this is not 
easy to acquire, (Unless
one has superb computer and network bandwith resources). For example, it 
says there
has not been an ISO image since Darwin 8.0
          That's what I would want, an ISO image to create a LiveCD.
          The history also shows that Apple Computer Corporation wanted 
the benefits
of open source development and community. This happened up to a point. 
Then it
collapsed.

                                                                                                                          
Erich


Shawn Nock wrote:
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> Bowie J. Poag wrote:
> | Hi Shawn,
> |
> | Well, we aren't exactly talking "HAY GUYS GO HERE AND DOWNLOAD THIS 
> L33T
> | ISO MAKE UR OWN HACKINTOSH DEHHHH"... OS X != Darwin. Darwin is a free,
> | open-source, POSIX-compliant BSD hybrid.
>
> Thanks for the wikipedia quote. You don't run "free, open source" Darwin.
>
> FOSS Darwin can't practically be compiled or used because of the
> proprietary bits Apple has neglected to release. So, Darwin is far from
> free... you must purchase the "whole package" from the vendor to do
> anything with it (like run a Desktop environment). The situation breaks
> down like this:
>
> ~  1. Choose the free version, it is intentionally crippled
> ~  2. Buy the working version, get only binaries.
>
> If we are comparing Linux to Darwin on the FOSS versions. Linux wins by
> virtue of compiling and booting.
>
> Someday some bright people may flesh out the corpse of Darwin into
> something useful... but today Darwin is useless.
>
> | It's as Unix as anything
> | else..perhaps stronger, since most of it's code was developed in-house
> | and only opened later.
>
> I assume we are talking about the OS you are currently running on your
> laptop. It is Unix... it is not Free Unix. Much of the kernel code on
> your current OS, was *not* opened later.
>
> The kernel Apple uses for OS X is different (XNU, I think)
>
> It has a different name, but it's Darwin... with the ability to
> successfully compile (Apple has the missing 'proprietary' bits).
>
> | ..And I certainly plead guilty to the murky legal implications of
> | running a Hackintosh. The only thing "murky" is whether or not I choose
> | to buy an OS X license from Apple or not.
>
> Even if you buy a license... you are are in violation of the license
> agreement. You are infringing on your license by choosing a different
> hardware vendor. Simplified, you are now (and for the foreseeable
> future) infringing on Apple's "intellectual property" and legally liable
> for this. That doesn't sound free or open.
>
> You obviously think the trade off is worth it (preference is a great
> thing). Kudos, but if we may be pragmatic for a moment, MacOS X (and
> Darwin) are not free and barely open.
>
> You run a Unix-like OS... that's great. Please stop calling it open or
> free. It is okay that not everything is open and free, but some of us
> take the *free* in "Tucson Free Unix Group" seriously and would
> appreciate you not clouding the issue by invoking one of Apple's long
> dead pet projects.
>
> A challenge, in good fun, boot the current version of Darwin on your
> laptop... then tell me how good a FOSS OS it is, eh? Better yet,
> actually run Darwin day-to-day and make all of your previous points 
> valid.
>
> Shawn
>
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> Shawn Nock (OpenPGP: 0x4E549994)
> nock at fastmail dot fm
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