[Tfug] Creationist Museum

Benjamin Krein superbenk at superk.org
Mon May 28 13:50:30 MST 2007 

Jude Nelson wrote:
> On 5/28/07, Benjamin Krein <superbenk at superk.org> wrote:
>> I guess I find it "amusing" that you fail to see how 1) this is
>> off-topic for this list and 2) may be possibly construed as derogatory
>> towards one side of the debate.
> 
> 
> 
> 1.)  If you're complaining that my post is so off-topic, why don't you point
> that out to other posters who do the exact same thing?
> 2.)  ANYTHING can be seen as derogatory from at least one perspective.  I
> find it derogatory that you are only interested in telling ME to shut up,
> and ignoring other posters who do the EXACT SAME THING.
> 
No need to take personal offense at my comment.  I responded because I:

1) read your post and thought it was off-topic (I don't remember these
other posts you speak of, but I don't read every post on this list either.

2) had the energy, motivation, desire to comment at the time I read your
post.

Call it coincidence that those two elements happened to come together at
the same time.  If I'm so off-base, why is this thread turning into
*exactly* what I predicted???  I'm happy to let it go and let those who
appreciate you post enjoy it.  I've voiced my opinion, but I'm not the
list master nor do I care enough to perpetuate this discussion.

*MY* opinion is that posts like yours don't belong here because they are
1) way off-topic & 2) come across to some (maybe most) as trollish.
Since I'm one of two apparently opposed, I suppose I'm in the minority
so carry on.

Ben

> I saw the original link at Slashdot two days ago.
> 
> Anyhow, my original response had nothing to do with #2 and only with #1
>> because I saw this easily becoming exactly the thread it has become.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> Jude Nelson wrote:
>>> Nowhere in that post did I explicitly call anyone a dummy.  I just found
>> it
>>> amusing, because I had never heard of nor seen them before and it never
>>> occurred to me that any existed.  To me, its "predictable" location in
>>> Kentucky just means that if one were to exist, it would make sense that
>> it
>>> would exist in an area of the US where Creationism is particularly
>> strong.
>>> As far as its depiction of humans and dinosaurs (and dragons, as well)
>>> coexisting goes, I find it amusing because it is non-traditional (not
>>> necessarily stupid or backward; it's just that I didn't expect it to
>> happen,
>>> and thus I'm amused).
>>>
>>> To point out that the Creationist camp has failed to add ID (or similar)
>> to
>>> the public school scientific curriculum is to point out an obvious fact.
>>> Because the number of Creationists in Kentucky is statistically higher
>> than
>>> average, it makes sense that more parents in Kentucky would want schools
>> to
>>> present the ID hypothesis alongside evolution.  If you read the museum
>>> description, you'll find its parking lot has been specifically designed
>> to
>>> facilitate school-bus loading and unloading. Because the current court
>>> ruling is that the presentation of ID in the classroom is a violation of
>> the
>>> First Amendment, this feature leads me to believe that one of the
>> purposes
>>> of this museum is to make it easier for schools to present the ID
>> hypothesis
>>> to students without explicitly making it part of the curriculum.  It
>> makes
>>> sense that field trips to this museum would be encouraged by parents to
>>> circumvent the ruling and allow their children to learn of ID in
>>> school-related activities.  Hence the explanation of my previous
>> statement
>>> that "It seems that the political battle to inject Intelligent Design
>> into
>>> public schools has been thwarted enough that someone put up $27 million
>> to
>>> build a Creationist-oriented history museum..."
>>>
>>> Also, if you look at the pictures of the museum, the interior DOES look
>>> cool.
>>>
>>> Seriously, now, why is everyone jumping the gun here?  If I were to post
>> a
>>> link to a museum depicting the history of ear wax sculptures, would
>> everyone
>>> be as offended?  I would be just as amused by an ear wax museum as a
>>> Creationist history museum, and for the same reasons--it's unexpected,
>> and
>>> it never would have occurred to me.  I tend to laugh at things that are
>>> unexpected and/or do not occur to me, regardless of what they are.  I
>> even
>>> chuckled at Sony's new flexible LCD screen prototype for those reasons!
>>> Who'd have thought that computer screens might one day be like paper
>>> sheets?  Amusing, no?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jude Nelson
>>>
>>> PS  If you think I'm bad, you see Felix Tilley's posts!
>>>
>>> On 5/27/07, Neil Short <neshort at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> --- rlumpy <rlumpy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can see it now, on "South Park"
>>>>>
>>>>> Linus battles Bill Gates for Cartman's Soul
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich L.
>>>>>
>>>>> Benjamin Krein wrote:
>>>>>> Jude Nelson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, it's off-topic, but extremely funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.creationmuseum.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that the political battle to inject
>>>>> Intelligent Design into public
>>>>>>> schools has been thwarted enough that someone put
>>>>> up $27 million to build a
>>>>>>> Creationist-oriented history museum that goes so
>>>>> far as to depict humans and
>>>>>>> dinosaurs co-existing.  Supposedly the interior
>>>>> design was done by a major
>>>>>>> Hollywood set designer (the guy who did Jaws, I
>>>>> think), so at least it
>>>>>>> *looks* cool.  This museum is located,
>>>>> predictably, in Kentucky.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jude Nelson
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>>>>>> Uh.  What possibly makes this appropriate for this
>>>>> list?  Are we to
>>>>>> discuss politics next as well?  Maybe I'm the only
>>>>> one, but this seems
>>>>>> like a very in-appropriate post for a
>>>>> computer-centric list no matter
>>>>>> what position you take on the subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to discuss religion topics, stick to
>>>>> Apple vs. PC; Linux vs.
>>>>>> Windows vs. OS X, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>> Computer topics is why I'm here. I don't appreciate
>>>> being labeled "dummy" because I believe in the
>>>> Biblical presentation of creation - and am also a
>>>> computer geek and a mathematician....
>>>>
>>>> I could go on; but yes, it is off topic.
>>>>
>>>> ======
>>>> Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven,
>> for
>>>> all his works are truth, and his ways are justice; and he is able to
>> bring
>>>> low those who walk in pride.
>>>> Daniel 4:37
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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