[Tfug] Creationist Museum

Jude Nelson judecn at gmail.com
Mon May 28 14:27:41 MST 2007 

I'd love to let it go as well.  I'm sorry for bringing it up.

Although an ear wax museum *would* be funny :)

On 5/28/07, Benjamin Krein <superbenk at superk.org> wrote:
>
> Jude Nelson wrote:
> > On 5/28/07, Benjamin Krein <superbenk at superk.org> wrote:
> >> I guess I find it "amusing" that you fail to see how 1) this is
> >> off-topic for this list and 2) may be possibly construed as derogatory
> >> towards one side of the debate.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.)  If you're complaining that my post is so off-topic, why don't you
> point
> > that out to other posters who do the exact same thing?
> > 2.)  ANYTHING can be seen as derogatory from at least one
> perspective.  I
> > find it derogatory that you are only interested in telling ME to shut
> up,
> > and ignoring other posters who do the EXACT SAME THING.
> >
> No need to take personal offense at my comment.  I responded because I:
>
> 1) read your post and thought it was off-topic (I don't remember these
> other posts you speak of, but I don't read every post on this list either.
>
> 2) had the energy, motivation, desire to comment at the time I read your
> post.
>
> Call it coincidence that those two elements happened to come together at
> the same time.  If I'm so off-base, why is this thread turning into
> *exactly* what I predicted???  I'm happy to let it go and let those who
> appreciate you post enjoy it.  I've voiced my opinion, but I'm not the
> list master nor do I care enough to perpetuate this discussion.
>
> *MY* opinion is that posts like yours don't belong here because they are
> 1) way off-topic & 2) come across to some (maybe most) as trollish.
> Since I'm one of two apparently opposed, I suppose I'm in the minority
> so carry on.
>
> Ben
>
> > I saw the original link at Slashdot two days ago.
> >
> > Anyhow, my original response had nothing to do with #2 and only with #1
> >> because I saw this easily becoming exactly the thread it has become.
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >> Jude Nelson wrote:
> >>> Nowhere in that post did I explicitly call anyone a dummy.  I just
> found
> >> it
> >>> amusing, because I had never heard of nor seen them before and it
> never
> >>> occurred to me that any existed.  To me, its "predictable" location in
> >>> Kentucky just means that if one were to exist, it would make sense
> that
> >> it
> >>> would exist in an area of the US where Creationism is particularly
> >> strong.
> >>> As far as its depiction of humans and dinosaurs (and dragons, as well)
> >>> coexisting goes, I find it amusing because it is non-traditional (not
> >>> necessarily stupid or backward; it's just that I didn't expect it to
> >> happen,
> >>> and thus I'm amused).
> >>>
> >>> To point out that the Creationist camp has failed to add ID (or
> similar)
> >> to
> >>> the public school scientific curriculum is to point out an obvious
> fact.
> >>> Because the number of Creationists in Kentucky is statistically higher
> >> than
> >>> average, it makes sense that more parents in Kentucky would want
> schools
> >> to
> >>> present the ID hypothesis alongside evolution.  If you read the museum
> >>> description, you'll find its parking lot has been specifically
> designed
> >> to
> >>> facilitate school-bus loading and unloading. Because the current court
> >>> ruling is that the presentation of ID in the classroom is a violation
> of
> >> the
> >>> First Amendment, this feature leads me to believe that one of the
> >> purposes
> >>> of this museum is to make it easier for schools to present the ID
> >> hypothesis
> >>> to students without explicitly making it part of the curriculum.  It
> >> makes
> >>> sense that field trips to this museum would be encouraged by parents
> to
> >>> circumvent the ruling and allow their children to learn of ID in
> >>> school-related activities.  Hence the explanation of my previous
> >> statement
> >>> that "It seems that the political battle to inject Intelligent Design
> >> into
> >>> public schools has been thwarted enough that someone put up $27
> million
> >> to
> >>> build a Creationist-oriented history museum..."
> >>>
> >>> Also, if you look at the pictures of the museum, the interior DOES
> look
> >>> cool.
> >>>
> >>> Seriously, now, why is everyone jumping the gun here?  If I were to
> post
> >> a
> >>> link to a museum depicting the history of ear wax sculptures, would
> >> everyone
> >>> be as offended?  I would be just as amused by an ear wax museum as a
> >>> Creationist history museum, and for the same reasons--it's unexpected,
> >> and
> >>> it never would have occurred to me.  I tend to laugh at things that
> are
> >>> unexpected and/or do not occur to me, regardless of what they are.  I
> >> even
> >>> chuckled at Sony's new flexible LCD screen prototype for those
> reasons!
> >>> Who'd have thought that computer screens might one day be like paper
> >>> sheets?  Amusing, no?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jude Nelson
> >>>
> >>> PS  If you think I'm bad, you see Felix Tilley's posts!
> >>>
> >>> On 5/27/07, Neil Short <neshort at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> --- rlumpy <rlumpy at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I can see it now, on "South Park"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Linus battles Bill Gates for Cartman's Soul
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rich L.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Benjamin Krein wrote:
> >>>>>> Jude Nelson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, it's off-topic, but extremely funny.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.creationmuseum.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It seems that the political battle to inject
> >>>>> Intelligent Design into public
> >>>>>>> schools has been thwarted enough that someone put
> >>>>> up $27 million to build a
> >>>>>>> Creationist-oriented history museum that goes so
> >>>>> far as to depict humans and
> >>>>>>> dinosaurs co-existing.  Supposedly the interior
> >>>>> design was done by a major
> >>>>>>> Hollywood set designer (the guy who did Jaws, I
> >>>>> think), so at least it
> >>>>>>> *looks* cool.  This museum is located,
> >>>>> predictably, in Kentucky.
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Jude Nelson
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> >>>>>> Uh.  What possibly makes this appropriate for this
> >>>>> list?  Are we to
> >>>>>> discuss politics next as well?  Maybe I'm the only
> >>>>> one, but this seems
> >>>>>> like a very in-appropriate post for a
> >>>>> computer-centric list no matter
> >>>>>> what position you take on the subject.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you want to discuss religion topics, stick to
> >>>>> Apple vs. PC; Linux vs.
> >>>>>> Windows vs. OS X, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>
> >>>> Computer topics is why I'm here. I don't appreciate
> >>>> being labeled "dummy" because I believe in the
> >>>> Biblical presentation of creation - and am also a
> >>>> computer geek and a mathematician....
> >>>>
> >>>> I could go on; but yes, it is off topic.
> >>>>
> >>>> ======
> >>>> Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven,
> >> for
> >>>> all his works are truth, and his ways are justice; and he is able to
> >> bring
> >>>> low those who walk in pride.
> >>>> Daniel 4:37
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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