[Tfug] SUV [OT] gas

[bigj at flatwan.net]

Offline for a few days and I'm just now getting around to reading my 200
messages.

Several people got defensive when he posted his remarks and rightfully so.
I understood he was upset and I took a lot of what he was saying as being
derived from that. The problem is he took an issue *he* was emotionally
attached to and sucked everyone else in to it by insulting and belittling
them.

I tried to discuss it with him openly hoping that he would come back and
calm down but it appears his friend (you) decided to pipe up instead which
doesn't help his cause at all.

I don't think this is an adequate way to deal with your emotions and would
prefer that if that is the way people are going to behave they take it
some where else.

The use of the term 'ricer' is used to describe where the car came from
and/or the types of mods being done to it. I also apologize to anyone that
may have taken offense to that statement. It was not meant as Richie has
stated it was used.

I never said I drive an SUV. I drive a full-size truck.

In summary, you do your thing and I'll do mine.

This thread is officially closed.

--
Jon




> There seems to be a little difficulty in understanding my brand of
> English-English. So let me help you out:
>
> Jon, if you're insulted by my pointing out your use of racist language
> and questioning your reasons for choosing that type of vehicle, then I'm
> the foulest mouthest of the lot. That's what my comment about a bad
> start was about -- your use of the word "ricer". Besides, you're the one
> who got all defensive as soon as Brian Masur fingered SUVs as being the
> vehicle of choice for Bad People(tm). In fact, according to the article,
> Rob Levin was killed by someone driving a white four door car.
>
> The reason most urbanites want an SUV is because they want an SUV. Your
> height isn't stopping you from driving a smaller car; a small car, even:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_tallest_people
> Summary: the Dutch are getting taller. Average height 6'. Case in point,
> Pieter Gijselaar is 7' tall (also 'over 6'10.5"'), owns a VW Golf, with
> modified driver's seat. (I suspect at 6'8" you wouldn't need a
> replacement for the VW height-adjustable seat. You're kinda the reason
> they do it.)
>
> Moving the occassional piece of furniture in the back of an SUV is also
> based on faulty reasoning. Get it delivered. Rent a van. Buy some roof
> bars.
>
> The only good reason for buying an off road vehicle? Off road use. And
> just to spite those who'd like me to fit their "holier than thou"
> stereotype, I should add I've owned two: a Range Rover and a Honda HR-V
> (not CR-V) -- opposite ends of the off-roading spectrum, but both got
> mucky for better reasons than "let's see what's down this track".
>
> And Tyler, the environment and government? My views? wtf?
>
> R.
>
>
> bigj at flatwan.net wrote:
>>> You got yourself off to a bad start on the list by proselytizing your
>>> views on automobiles, the environment, and government--and in the
>>> process
>>> insulted the very person on whom TFUG's list depends.  Nice going,
>>> sport!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting me off to a bad start on this list.
>>>>
>>>> Rich.
>>>>
>>
>> I respect his opinions and even his insults to some degree so long as
>> they
>> have some logic mixed in. But most of it was just him babbling and in
>> effect going, "yeah, well, yer Mom!"
>>
>> It shows the level of debate skills he has. I hold very little skill in
>> that area but for christ's sake that was just awful.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
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> There seems to be a little difficulty in understanding my brand of
> English-English. So let me help you out:
>
> Jon, if you're insulted by my pointing out your use of racist language
> and questioning your reasons for choosing that type of vehicle, then I'm
> the foulest mouthest of the lot. That's what my comment about a bad
> start was about -- your use of the word "ricer". Besides, you're the one
> who got all defensive as soon as Brian Masur fingered SUVs as being the
> vehicle of choice for Bad People(tm). In fact, according to the article,
> Rob Levin was killed by someone driving a white four door car.
>
> The reason most urbanites want an SUV is because they want an SUV. Your
> height isn't stopping you from driving a smaller car; a small car, even:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_tallest_people
> Summary: the Dutch are getting taller. Average height 6'. Case in point,
> Pieter Gijselaar is 7' tall (also 'over 6'10.5"'), owns a VW Golf, with
> modified driver's seat. (I suspect at 6'8" you wouldn't need a
> replacement for the VW height-adjustable seat. You're kinda the reason
> they do it.)
>
> Moving the occassional piece of furniture in the back of an SUV is also
> based on faulty reasoning. Get it delivered. Rent a van. Buy some roof
> bars.
>
> The only good reason for buying an off road vehicle? Off road use. And
> just to spite those who'd like me to fit their "holier than thou"
> stereotype, I should add I've owned two: a Range Rover and a Honda HR-V
> (not CR-V) -- opposite ends of the off-roading spectrum, but both got
> mucky for better reasons than "let's see what's down this track".
>
> And Tyler, the environment and government? My views? wtf?
>
> R.
>
>
> bigj at flatwan.net wrote:
>>> You got yourself off to a bad start on the list by proselytizing your
>>> views on automobiles, the environment, and government--and in the
>>> process
>>> insulted the very person on whom TFUG's list depends.  Nice going,
>>> sport!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting me off to a bad start on this list.
>>>>
>>>> Rich.
>>>>
>>
>> I respect his opinions and even his insults to some degree so long as
>> they
>> have some logic mixed in. But most of it was just him babbling and in
>> effect going, "yeah, well, yer Mom!"
>>
>> It shows the level of debate skills he has. I hold very little skill in
>> that area but for christ's sake that was just awful.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tucson Free Unix Group - tfug at tfug.org
>> Subscription Options:
>> http://www.tfug.org/mailman/listinfo/tfug_tfug.org
>
>
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