[Tfug] Recent Systemd thread

[Jude Nelson]

Well, they have a GitHub at least (http://github.com/devuan).

<archair_speculation> If I had to guess what will happen, any tweaks they
make to baseconf and other packages to keep systemd decoupled will
eventually get back-ported to Debian, obviating the need for the fork.  If
anything, Devuan will serve as a proving ground for packaging policies that
keep systemd separate (i.e. Devuan will be more like a branch of Debian,
instead of an outright fork or derivative distro). </armchair_speculation>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any thoughts on the Debian fork?
>
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/
>
> I sat in on their IRC a few times. Nothing really exciting...
> :)
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Jude Nelson <judecn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If I had to guess, it's a combination of factors:
>>
>> * Despite it's architecture, systemd has something in it for everybody.
>> Many different types of users can get some use from it.
>> * Systemd takes over a lot of previously distro-specific engineering work
>> (i.e. service management logic, /etc contents, logging, etc.).  Distro
>> maintainers, who are almost all volunteers, can save themselves time and
>> effort by using systemd over sysvinit.
>> * GNOME depends on systemd-logind, which depends on systemd.  AFAIK,
>> GNOME has the best internationalization support and HDPI support, which
>> means that major distros basically have to choose between having GNOME +
>> systemd or having (crippled GNOME | something else)  + !systemd as the main
>> desktop.
>> * Systemd solves a lot of user experience issues for desktop users (i.e.
>> faster boot times, unified system administration, multi-seat support, etc.)
>> out of the box.
>> * udev is increasingly tied to systemd (and will likely hard-depend on it
>> in the future), so from a distro manager's perspective, adopting systemd
>> now is a good medium-term strategic move if you want to keep decent hotplug
>> support.
>> * Most of the core systemd developers are Big Players in Linux, so they
>> have the political clout to get their software adopted early.  If you run
>> gitstats on systemd's tree, you'll see that just over 90% of systemd was
>> written by 10 people, and most of them are responsible for other major
>> pieces of the Linux plumbing layer as well as kernel development.
>>
>> I think if all systemd was doing was trying to be Yet Another Init and
>> Service Management System (without trying to couple itself to
>> previously-independent projects or force its adoption through politics), it
>> would be a lot less controversial than it is now.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>> -Jude
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Keith Smith <techlists at phpcoderusa.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I installed and configured a LAMP / Samba server in VirtualBox this
>>> weekend and other than the system commands nothing sees much different.  I
>>> do not live on the server like some of you so my needs are less than yours,
>>> as is my exposure.  I am a LAMP developer so I only work on Linux when I
>>> need something.  I also run Linux on my workstation, however that is a lot
>>> less demanding than being sys admin.
>>>
>>> When I first read about systemd a week or so ago I was heart broken.  I
>>> already miss sys v init. After reading some...  I wondered what the motive
>>> was?  Feels like an M$ type of take over.  I understand systemd originated
>>> at Redhat.  What would be their motive and why would most of the distros
>>> follow?
>>>
>>> I always though Linux / Free Unix folks would rebel against such a move?
>>>
>>> Is this a coup d'etat or something good?
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> --
>>> Keith Smith
>>>
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