[Tfug] Recent Systemd thread

[Kaoru Wilbur]

Any thoughts on the Debian fork?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/

I sat in on their IRC a few times. Nothing really exciting...
:)

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Jude Nelson <judecn at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I had to guess, it's a combination of factors:
>
> * Despite it's architecture, systemd has something in it for everybody.
> Many different types of users can get some use from it.
> * Systemd takes over a lot of previously distro-specific engineering work
> (i.e. service management logic, /etc contents, logging, etc.).  Distro
> maintainers, who are almost all volunteers, can save themselves time and
> effort by using systemd over sysvinit.
> * GNOME depends on systemd-logind, which depends on systemd.  AFAIK, GNOME
> has the best internationalization support and HDPI support, which means
> that major distros basically have to choose between having GNOME + systemd
> or having (crippled GNOME | something else)  + !systemd as the main desktop.
> * Systemd solves a lot of user experience issues for desktop users (i.e.
> faster boot times, unified system administration, multi-seat support, etc.)
> out of the box.
> * udev is increasingly tied to systemd (and will likely hard-depend on it
> in the future), so from a distro manager's perspective, adopting systemd
> now is a good medium-term strategic move if you want to keep decent hotplug
> support.
> * Most of the core systemd developers are Big Players in Linux, so they
> have the political clout to get their software adopted early.  If you run
> gitstats on systemd's tree, you'll see that just over 90% of systemd was
> written by 10 people, and most of them are responsible for other major
> pieces of the Linux plumbing layer as well as kernel development.
>
> I think if all systemd was doing was trying to be Yet Another Init and
> Service Management System (without trying to couple itself to
> previously-independent projects or force its adoption through politics), it
> would be a lot less controversial than it is now.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> -Jude
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Keith Smith <techlists at phpcoderusa.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed and configured a LAMP / Samba server in VirtualBox this
>> weekend and other than the system commands nothing sees much different.  I
>> do not live on the server like some of you so my needs are less than yours,
>> as is my exposure.  I am a LAMP developer so I only work on Linux when I
>> need something.  I also run Linux on my workstation, however that is a lot
>> less demanding than being sys admin.
>>
>> When I first read about systemd a week or so ago I was heart broken.  I
>> already miss sys v init. After reading some...  I wondered what the motive
>> was?  Feels like an M$ type of take over.  I understand systemd originated
>> at Redhat.  What would be their motive and why would most of the distros
>> follow?
>>
>> I always though Linux / Free Unix folks would rebel against such a move?
>>
>> Is this a coup d'etat or something good?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> --
>> Keith Smith
>>
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