[Tfug] OT - WAS Re: Cyber War -oh noes | Now H1B Visa Rant

[keith smith]

I took a beating when I brought up the H1B visa issue months ago.  Someone asked me if I were afraid that someone more skilled would take my job.  

I'm not afraid of the skilled.  Someone more skilled and experienced is at more risk than I am because they cost more.  I'm afraid of someone who is willing to work for less while exporting their disposable income back to their third world country to support an entire family.  This is an example of what is weakening our country.

I hope people understand that Joshua is right.

We are using tax payer money to create a fake economy and if it works these same companies will have no loyalty to you or I.

I personally draw the line.  I could hire off shore for $5 - $12 / hour.  I would make fantastic profits.  But I chose not to.

If and when I hire I will chose American (as in USA) labor.

While I think unions are abusive, one of the things we can learn from them is that if we stand together we have power.  If we stand alone they can do whatever they want.

On a side note we need to let the system work.  Selection of the fittest will make us lean and mean again.  Incurring 3 trillion is national debt in of itself should send up thousands of red flags.


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Keith Smith



--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Cyber War -oh noes
To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:50 PM

  at this point in time, there is little justification for the h1b
visa program.  Make no mistakes folks, your jobs are being used as
bargaining chips in the political process.

  -jmz

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
> Because we are consumers of people, and there is more money in brokering
> already-skilled people than prodicing skilled people.
>
> I find that some schools are consumers of already-good-students rather
than
> producers of them. Appparently if you aren't a born test-taker,
you've got
> small chance of making it. A high school teacher told me that only the
honor
> role students are worth her time.
>
> As a result perfectly good, bright people are left and lost and
inexpensive
> replacements are shipped in.
>
> Capitalist consumerism is harsh when your merchandise is encumbered with a
> pesky soul.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: January 07, 2009 6:54 PM
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Cyber War -oh noes
>
> Failing the brightest was one of my arguments
> against H1B Visas a while back.
>
> Why does bill gates import labor.  Why has he not used his wealth
> and influence to identify the brightest and put them in an
> environment where they can be challenged beyond anything anyone
> of us would have ever expected.
>
> We are failing ourselves!
>
> Why do we fail to identify, mentor, and push, while providing for
> these people?
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Glen Pfeiffer <glen at thepfeiffers.net> wrote:
>
> From: Glen Pfeiffer <glen at thepfeiffers.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Cyber War -oh noes
> To: tfug at tfug.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:33 PM
>
> On Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 03:38:52PM -0800, Bexley Hall wrote:
>> How many folks can't "count change"?  Or, form a
> "correct"
>> sentence?  (or, write wItHoUt *abusing* punctuation!!  :> )
>>
>> How many *question* what they are "told"?  How many know
>> how to find their own "answer"?  :-/
>>
>> <shrug>  Dunno.  Perhaps it is attributable to people having
>> "less time" (?  then, where did all that time *go*?).
>
> I think there are many possible causes, and likely more than one
> actual cause, for what you are describing. One might be that
> those who were once uneducated now have a middle or high school
> education and are able to contribute more to society. But they
> are still unable to perform at the level you expect.
>
> You might have
>  noticed that I listed a high school education
> above. That is because at the same time we are "not leaving any
> child behind" we are failing t
>
> [The entire original message is not included]
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