[Tfug] Semi-off-topic...a good quote of mine made the AZ Star...

[eric christian]

Jim March schrieb:

> Your problem here is that I speak just enough paranoid conspiracy
> nutcase (which is it's own dialect at a minimum) to know EXACTLY what
> goes through your pea-brain when you see George Washington make a
> favorable reference to "Illuminati".
oh dear, GW calls them diabolical. Look up "diabolical" in a dictionary. 
I dont think thats a "favorable reference".
> 
> Sorry, but that's just an old Mason term for "high level Freemason
> geek".  They don't use it much anymore or so I'm told, mainly because
> it makes paranoid conspiracy nutcases have conspiro-gasms every time
> they see the word.
I know all degrees of The Scottish Rite and all orders of the York Rite. 
There is no Illuminati there, not at all,nada, they were a totally 
separate group, founded 1776 by the Jesuit (mason, converted Jew) Adam 
Wishaupt in Ingolstadt.
> 
> EVERYTHING you point to says that you consider masons evil.  This is
> just another example, same as "the founder of the JWs and Mormons have
> to be conspiring because they were both masons".
> 
I point to a text of FF GW nothing more. I state nothing, nada.
> So YOU read it: "Washington defends Freemasonry".  Yeah, big shock
> there, not...again, see also the dollar bill, to this day crowded with
> Mason symbols.  My whole point is, "so what?"
FF GW warned us about the Illuminati. Also interesting is that, he says, 
the Democratic Party was created by the Illuminati.
> 
> Because you haven't proven, and can't prove, that "Freemason=evilbarsterd".
> 
In these matters no one can prove anything. I give you again a text from 
our founding father George Washington and paraphrase at the end his 
language of over 200 years. I say nothing, George Washington does.He 
warns us against the Illuminati and says the mason lodges as such were 
not infected by the Illuminati, just individuals (Jefferson implied 
since he was a founder of thias Democratic Society).

Am i missing something here? Are you against George Washington? It's 
hard to discuss this with you. Are you an American? My ancestors fought 
1776. Where were yours? with King Georg? Georg was Welf from Hannover...

> Washington Defends Freemasonry
> 
> Letter of George Washington to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798
> 
> The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 
> 1745-1799.
> John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor.--vol. 36
> Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.
> Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only 
> motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, 
> and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, 
> often, to write letters, have led you into.
> 
> It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, 
> and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the 
> contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.
> 
> The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the 
> Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to 
> propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles 
> of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals 
> of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to 
> found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these 
> objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their 
> Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.
> 
> My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read 
> News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing 
> answers, absorb much of my time. With respect, etc.
> 
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> In other words, FF Washington claims FF's Jefferson's "Democratic 
> Society (later: Party)" was founded by Illuminati, Jefferson among 
> others since he was the key founder. This jives with other sources 
> stating that Jefferson actually met Weishaupt in his (Jefferson's) 
> european travels and became himself an illuminatus. See how the pieces 
> just fall together? EC