[Tfug] [SPAM] World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007

[Malcolm Schmerl]

The "tipping thresholds" of which you speak are of grave concern. Not 
only is substantial economic upheaval a possibility, but essential 
commodities may lead to war. Currently, the nations, including several 
nuclear powers,  surrounding the Hindu Cush are grappling for glacial 
melt-off. Diamonds, which have little essential use, are expensive. 
Water, which is absolutely essential, is cheap. This is bound to change 
in the future.

Ronald Sutherland wrote:
> REJECTED :-), that's why it's still a conspiracy.
>
> When I was about 12-14 years old I was digging in some sand under the
> edge of a bluff. After starting a small hole in the side of the bluff
> I noticed the sand was starting to run out without me having to dig,
> it was cool, but then I noticed that sand was starting to run out from
> other areas of the bluff. Odd I thought, what caused that? I'd better
> run. After the side of the bluff slid down, which I had enough time to
> get out of the way and watch everything from a safe place, I was left
> with a demonstrated sense of how small changes can cause systems to
> cross thresholds of stability (but no words for it). These thresholds
> or tipping events in stable systems are all around us, cheap oil is
> over and there is likely a tipping threshold in the food supply as
> well as other things I need, how do I get out of the way when the
> house of cards oil props up slides down the hill.
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jeffry Johnston <tfug at kidsquid.com> wrote:
>   
>> FYI, I almost clicked "Report Spam" on this, then I saw it was TFUG...
>> adding a spam tag to the topic.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ronald Sutherland
>> <ronald.sutherland at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I've not seen that data, but have read that oil peaked in 2005... An
>>> oil field (as a geologic structure) is finite and production rates
>>> decline somewhere in the 2-4 percent. A geologist I watched related
>>> that to viscosity of the oil that is extracted, at first it is thin
>>> (sweet) and over time the viscosity increases (heavy and sour), thus
>>> the rate of production is tied to the viscosity. Consequently, I take
>>> that as all 73 Million Barrels per Day of current production are
>>> affected by the increasing viscosity, and we have to find new oil to
>>> make up the lost numbers.
>>>
>>> I agree the facts seem to increasingly indicate that peak has passed.
>>> However, we will really know for sure in a few more years. The idea of
>>> Abiogenic petroleum and all sorts of other ideas suggest we can pull
>>> many more Million Barrels per Day with no known problem.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
>>>
>>> Abiogenic is mostly rejected but when I get into a conversation about
>>> gas prices, oil production follows, and then I find the Abiogenic
>>> petroleum mind virus. I think market speculation, high demand, and
>>> possibly some price fixing can explain the price peak. I've seen
>>> plenty of demand destruction in my own life to account for the current
>>> price drop. If the price drops to bellow 80 dollars/barrel the economy
>>> my start to rebuild, at least that's what I need to sale my house in
>>> Tucson. Unfortunately, once demand puts pressure on oil production...
>>>
>>> At one point I was thinking that efficient engines, and solar power
>>> was needed, but now I'm not so sure. I think most people are rejecting
>>> the problem, aided with mind viruses that they have not sufficiently
>>> questioned. The problem as I see it is food, I think that's where we
>>> will get blind sided. Farmers and ranchers are not making much income,
>>> because industry methods are very energy intensive. To make a long
>>> story short I'm thinking Permaculture is a viable method for local
>>> food production that gets the oil out of my dinner. I should say that
>>> I'm a slow reader and have almost finished the book "Gaia's Garden"
>>> from Toby Hemenway, and plan to read David Holmgren's book
>>> "Permaculture" next.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM, John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>       
>>>>> My top priority conspiracy at this point is "peak oil"...
>>>>>           
>>>> World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007
>>>> http://www.eia.doe.gov/aer/txt/ptb1105.html
>>>>
>>>> There is no conspiracy. Pick out the year of highest production for any geographical location. More info is available for the asking.
>>>>
>>>>         
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