[Tfug] [SPAM] World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007

[Ronald Sutherland]

REJECTED :-), that's why it's still a conspiracy.

When I was about 12-14 years old I was digging in some sand under the
edge of a bluff. After starting a small hole in the side of the bluff
I noticed the sand was starting to run out without me having to dig,
it was cool, but then I noticed that sand was starting to run out from
other areas of the bluff. Odd I thought, what caused that? I'd better
run. After the side of the bluff slid down, which I had enough time to
get out of the way and watch everything from a safe place, I was left
with a demonstrated sense of how small changes can cause systems to
cross thresholds of stability (but no words for it). These thresholds
or tipping events in stable systems are all around us, cheap oil is
over and there is likely a tipping threshold in the food supply as
well as other things I need, how do I get out of the way when the
house of cards oil props up slides down the hill.

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jeffry Johnston <tfug at kidsquid.com> wrote:
> FYI, I almost clicked "Report Spam" on this, then I saw it was TFUG...
> adding a spam tag to the topic.
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> Jeff
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> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ronald Sutherland
> <ronald.sutherland at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've not seen that data, but have read that oil peaked in 2005... An
>> oil field (as a geologic structure) is finite and production rates
>> decline somewhere in the 2-4 percent. A geologist I watched related
>> that to viscosity of the oil that is extracted, at first it is thin
>> (sweet) and over time the viscosity increases (heavy and sour), thus
>> the rate of production is tied to the viscosity. Consequently, I take
>> that as all 73 Million Barrels per Day of current production are
>> affected by the increasing viscosity, and we have to find new oil to
>> make up the lost numbers.
>>
>> I agree the facts seem to increasingly indicate that peak has passed.
>> However, we will really know for sure in a few more years. The idea of
>> Abiogenic petroleum and all sorts of other ideas suggest we can pull
>> many more Million Barrels per Day with no known problem.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
>>
>> Abiogenic is mostly rejected but when I get into a conversation about
>> gas prices, oil production follows, and then I find the Abiogenic
>> petroleum mind virus. I think market speculation, high demand, and
>> possibly some price fixing can explain the price peak. I've seen
>> plenty of demand destruction in my own life to account for the current
>> price drop. If the price drops to bellow 80 dollars/barrel the economy
>> my start to rebuild, at least that's what I need to sale my house in
>> Tucson. Unfortunately, once demand puts pressure on oil production...
>>
>> At one point I was thinking that efficient engines, and solar power
>> was needed, but now I'm not so sure. I think most people are rejecting
>> the problem, aided with mind viruses that they have not sufficiently
>> questioned. The problem as I see it is food, I think that's where we
>> will get blind sided. Farmers and ranchers are not making much income,
>> because industry methods are very energy intensive. To make a long
>> story short I'm thinking Permaculture is a viable method for local
>> food production that gets the oil out of my dinner. I should say that
>> I'm a slow reader and have almost finished the book "Gaia's Garden"
>> from Toby Hemenway, and plan to read David Holmgren's book
>> "Permaculture" next.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM, John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>My top priority conspiracy at this point is "peak oil"...
>>>
>>> World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007
>>> http://www.eia.doe.gov/aer/txt/ptb1105.html
>>>
>>> There is no conspiracy. Pick out the year of highest production for any geographical location. More info is available for the asking.
>>>
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