[Tfug] OT A word of thanks

[Josh Miller]

Matt has got a point, although I don't think it justifies the kind of anger
he displays in his email.

It *would* be nice if companies always followed up with their applicants
with a nice "no thank you" letter.  Unfortunately, the reality is that many
don't, so expecting one is setting yourself up for disappointment.

That being said, it's the applicant's responsibility, and to his benefit, to
follow up with the prospective employer after the interview, by phone, email
and mail.

-Josh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tfug-bounces at tfug.org [mailto:tfug-bounces at tfug.org] On Behalf Of
> Bowie J. Poag
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:56 PM
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] OT A word of thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Gee, i'm surprised your phone isn't ringing off the hook, there,
> buddy...
> 
> Here's a hint. It's alot easier to speak in a job interview when you
> head is outside your anal cavity. In my experience, sit down job
> interviews in IT are rarely about qualifications. They're about
> personality. By the time your phone rings, they've already decided if
> you're /qualified /or not. They don't call people in to have them
> recite
> what's already on paper in front of them. The purpose of the interview
> is to establish whether or not you're a damn wingnut, and how well
> you'll get along with the other employees.  Most of the time, they can
> tell if you're full of shit just by how you word your resume'. The
> purpose of the interview is to see if you shower regularly, and see if
> you're the type of person who can go more than 5 minutes in a room by
> yourself without shoving a butter knife into an electrical outlet.
> Given
> the snippet below, you've probably failed the butter knife test more
> than a few times:
> 
> "I remember a time, not that long ago where people had more
> integrity to TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE that a prospect didn't have a skill
> that
> they were looking for or for whatever reason, they just really didn't
> fit
> whatever wants (looks, goals, what have you) that the company in a
> whole was
> looking for. IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE DON'T CALL THEM IN TO BEGIN
> WITH. I
> have been looking for someone to hire me for the last 7 months, I don't
> have
> the time to be teased with the thought and hope ACTUALLY having some
> local
> work."
> 
> If you run around thinking a prospective employer owes you /anything/,
> guess again.  They owe you nothing. And if you don't land a job, don't
> spout off about it. Be grateful for the opportunity, not resentful of
> the failure.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bowie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew T. Eskes wrote:
> > I am writing this email in regards of one that I had sent out a while
> back
> > asking fellow list members if they had any leads for some work. I
> would like
> > to thanks those of you who had replied to me with the leads for
> places like
> > TMC and such. I greatly appreciate it. However there were also some
> on the
> > list that were in the hiring positions that emailed as well and I
> have to
> > say that I am a little disappointed. While some of them called me in
> for an
> > interview they did not have the decency to call me back or mail me a
> "you
> > suck" letter as I like to call them, telling me that I wasn't hired
> on for
> > whatever reason. I remember a time, not that long ago where people
> had more
> > integrity to TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE that a prospect didn't have a
> skill that
> > they were looking for or for whatever reason, they just really didn't
> fit
> > whatever wants (looks, goals, what have you) that the company in a
> whole was
> > looking for. IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE DON'T CALL THEM IN TO BEGIN
> WITH. I
> > have been looking for someone to hire me for the last 7 months, I
> don't have
> > the time to be teased with the thought and hope ACTUALLY having some
> local
> > work. My advice for you, and you guys know who you are, is to start
> thinking
> > about the prospective employee, the employees and your bottom line if
> you
> > would like to start having a better reputation. I have OWNED my own
> > business, and had the SAME hiring responsibilities as you folks and I
> have
> > come to learn that in order to have a prosperous and successful
> business,
> > you have to build a reputation as being good to your prospective
> employees
> > so that when they ARE NEEDED they will come back and hopefully become
> a part
> > of your business family. You guys and business practices disgust me.
> >
> > Matt
> >