[Tfug] religious nutcakes

Sun Jul 13 18:35:03 MST 2008

That was all in the long response that I shortened to my very short
reply. As it stands, no. However, if we could get a 3rd party in power
as well backed as the republicans and democrats I think that there is
a real possibility for change, or at least perhaps provided a means of
check and balances. Although I am sure some would claim that there are
currently 4 parties: ultra conservative, moderate conservative,
moderate liberal, ultra liberal. However, they are only shades of the
same grey.

As far as I can see all of the parties use the same tactics, respond
the same way, and although look at things differently approach
problems from the same approach; what is in it for me. I wish I wasn't
so cynical. I wish I could jump for joy when I see a new president
choices coming up, but having seen the final selection, all I can do
is cry and pray for a better day.. ;)

There is more I could say, but it takes too long. :)

Sincerely,
Judd Pickell

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> So there is no hope for change.  We are doomed?  There is nothing we can
> possibly do?
>
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> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 3:34 PM
>
> I had a long reply that I typed up to respond, but I think it is best
> summed up to the fact that I don't believe that government listens to
> those who do not give them money or publicity. Perhaps a bit cynical,
> but that is my view.
>
> Sincerely,
> Judd Pickell
>
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at
>  2:02 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think this all started with my post so I will bring it back on topic.
>>
>> I started by talking about the violation of my Fourth Amendment rights.
> And
>> yes I am fervent in that area and in the area of my First Amendment rights
>> to be a Christian and to denounce those who claim to be Christians, which
>> are actually cults. As referred to as Cross burners, et al.
>>
>> How is this on topic?  This week it is your Fourth Amendment rights they
> are
>> willing to trample on.  Next week it might be allowing special interest
>> groups to obtain a less than valid patent issued on something Internet
>> related.  Now you have to pay a fee to run a server or connect to the
>> Internet.  Maybe it is Microsoft that get the patent.  Next thing you know
>> every copy of Linux requires a royalty.  At first maybe it is
>  $5.00.  Next
>> year it is $50.00 per copy.
>>
>> So here is where the rubber meets the road. At what point are you
> disturbed
>> enough to write a letter or make a phone call?
>>
>> When I brought up the H1B visa bill one of the people on the list replied
>> "What are you afraid someone more skilled than you will take your
> job?".  I
>> was dumbfounded!  I'm  concerned that Corporate America will do me in
> along
>> with tons of others, to include many on this list.  I'm concerned that
>> pretty soon we will be unemployed while foreign workers  take our jobs
> while
>> having no loyalty to America and send part of their wages home.
>>
>> Does gas need to be $5.00 or $7.00 a gallon?  Need to be displaced from
> your
>> job?  Will you be concerned when they have raised gas to $10.00/gal, and
> you
>> cannot buy a home, and they privatize the internet, tax
>  Linux?
>>
>> How far do we slide before we say  OOOOPPPPSSS, I guess it was my problem
>> all along.
>>
>> Then what?
>>
>> I wonder what our founding fathers would say to us today.
>>
>>
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>> --- On Sat, 7/12/08, John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
>> To: flames at tfug.org, tfug at tfug.org
>> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 4:58 PM
>>
>> Some suggestions.
>>
>> It appears the posters here are more fervent with their religious views
> than
>> even their politics. I checked the flames archives when I signed on and I
>> believe this will be the first entry since October, 2004. I am guessing
> this
>> is
>> the most complete, recent entry on the subject. I spell checked the
>  post
> to
>> make
>> it more readable. Moving posts like this to the Flames list may seriously
>> degrade the total number of readings we get, but so it goes. People
> haven't
>> been posting Linux related things very much recently.
>>
>> Another list
>>  I was on used the term "Unleashed" for non Linux related
>> posts. We actually had quite a few signed up for that one, but still there
>> weren't that many total posts. It was used for more than just religion
> and
>> politics. Interesting articles that didn't fit the Linux/Computer
> category
>> were posted there and got replies. The word "Flames" kind of
> turns
>> people off since no one really wants to read flames. Also, the
>> "Flames" list isn't available as an option on the sign up
> pages.
>> I had to read between the lines to subscribe. You all need to make that
> (or
>> its
>> successor) much more easily
>  accessible. I don't know how many list
> members
>> are signed up for the Flames list.
>>
>> Setting up separate lists for "Religious", "Political"
> and
>> "Other" may also be an option. I tolerate most of your posts
> since
>> you guys at least know how to spell, etc. Some of the politcal rants
> (except
>> my
>> own, of course) are off the mark and the religious
>>  posts even more so. But, I
>> learn which way the wind blows through your minds.
>>
>> This subject (Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes) is being moved to the Flames
>> list
>> (or its successor). Please make all replies from that list.
>>
>> John Mc
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
>>>Michael Omar Gatto wrote:
>> Meh, I served in Afghanistan as a Marine. I'd hate to nuke it since
> there
>> were a lot of fine people there and the food is damn good, too.
>  I
> don't
>> like my curries radioactive, mind you...
>>
>> I said the tribal areas, didn't I? that's where the Taliban are
>> attacking us from. Its like the SS went to Liechtenstein 1945 and attacked
>> German cities in the 1950s.
>>
>> Oh, and as a Persian linguist I don't consider most Muslims as
> nutcakes and
>> although I personally find some Egyptians rather annoying sometimes (used
> to
>> be
>> married to one) it doesn't automatically make them assholes or
> terrorists,
>> me thinks.
>>  Rumor has it that UA holds academic conferences and people,
>> apparently (gasp!) sometimes fly in just for a day to score brownie points
>> by
>> saying they attended...
>>
>> - Mike Gatto
>> +
>>
>>>eric christian wrote:
>> Well, that's just fine. Then you can explain to us the Persian concept
> of
>> "ketman" (Arabian "taqiya"). I do
>  consider Moslems as
>> nutcakes because of their concept of "tauchid" (please excuse
> the
>> German spelling, i know that its spelled otherwise in English
>> "wahid", whatever, but i forget). Tauchid is the essence of
> Islam.
>> Tauchid is the reason why musselmen hate the west (us). In the West we
> have
>> this plurality, social life here, private life there, religion here,
>> government
>> there and so forth. Not so for the musselman, there is only one thing,
> Islam
>> (tauchid). Europe had this tauchid brain damage in the Dark Ages, it was
>> called
>>
>>                             "Consensus fidelium"
>>
>> See, goddammit.
>>  I don't care about religion or tauchid or Moslems and all
>> this bullshit. But they keep attacking us. This is just a waste of time.
>> lets
>> go back to Linux, dammit.  Eric
>> +
>>
>>>Jude Nelson wrote:
>>
>  Eric,
>>
>> You will find in this world that less than 1% of Muslims are
>> "nutcakes".  Just like any mainstream religion, there will
> always be
>> small ultraconservative groups within it that give every other follower a
>> bad
>> name.  Should I think that all Christians are nutcakes because a few of
> them
>> kill homosexuals and abortion doctors, or wear white robes and set crosses
>> on
>> fire?  Should I think that all Jews are nutcakes because a few of them
> want
>> to
>> ethnically cleanse Palestine? Should I think that all Hindus are nutcakes
>> because a few of them try to occasionally burn down Christian churches?
> Of
>> course not--it's false induction.  Likewise, not all Muslims are
>> "nutcakes" just because a few of them happen to be
>>  terrorists.
>>
>> Regards,  Jude
>> +
>>
>>>Ronald Sutherland wrote:
>> K
>> I've
>  been drinking some wine...
>>
>> I find that GUN and Open Source is every bit a religion except, there is a
>> large number of resent converts, and resent converts are the most
> dangerous,
>> although I'm not sure why. It could be that they know so little of all
> the
>> edge cases that complicate the religion. This suggests to me that Iraq is
>> going
>> to be a huge problem on so many levels.
>>
>> Most people assume that man is in the image of god, but how do we know
> that
>> is
>> true. It places restrictions on the very nature and boundaries of god. It
>> may
>> even break one of the commandments, as in praying though an image or idol
> of
>> god that is possibly false. I do not presume to know god well enough to
>> place
>> myself in god's image. Atheist take the easy way out and nuke the
>> possibility of god's existence, so they don't have to deal
>  with
> the
>> rather complex
>>  possibility that god exist but is far more than their pathetic
>> monkey brain can deal with.
>>
>> Anyway, keep up the good work tfug, I enjoy the BS when I have a chance to
>> read
>> it.
>>
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