[Tfug] religious nutcakes

Sun Jul 13 16:05:52 MST 2008

So there is no hope for change.  We are doomed?  There is nothing we can possibly do?

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--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 3:34 PM

I had a long reply that I typed up to respond, but I think it is best
summed up to the fact that I don't believe that government listens to
those who do not give them money or publicity. Perhaps a bit cynical,
but that is my view.

Sincerely,
Judd Pickell

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> I think this all started with my post so I will bring it back on topic.
>
> I started by talking about the violation of my Fourth Amendment rights. 
And
> yes I am fervent in that area and in the area of my First Amendment rights
> to be a Christian and to denounce those who claim to be Christians, which
> are actually cults. As referred to as Cross burners, et al.
>
> How is this on topic?  This week it is your Fourth Amendment rights they
are
> willing to trample on.  Next week it might be allowing special interest
> groups to obtain a less than valid patent issued on something Internet
> related.  Now you have to pay a fee to run a server or connect to the
> Internet.  Maybe it is Microsoft that get the patent.  Next thing you know
> every copy of Linux requires a royalty.  At first maybe it is $5.00.  Next
> year it is $50.00 per copy.
>
> So here is where the rubber meets the road. At what point are you
disturbed
> enough to write a letter or make a phone call?
>
> When I brought up the H1B visa bill one of the people on the list replied
> "What are you afraid someone more skilled than you will take your
job?".  I
> was dumbfounded!  I'm  concerned that Corporate America will do me in
along
> with tons of others, to include many on this list.  I'm concerned that
> pretty soon we will be unemployed while foreign workers  take our jobs
while
> having no loyalty to America and send part of their wages home.
>
> Does gas need to be $5.00 or $7.00 a gallon?  Need to be displaced from
your
> job?  Will you be concerned when they have raised gas to $10.00/gal, and
you
> cannot buy a home, and they privatize the internet, tax Linux?
>
> How far do we slide before we say  OOOOPPPPSSS, I guess it was my problem
> all along.
>
> Then what?
>
> I wonder what our founding fathers would say to us today.
>
>
>
> ------------------------
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/12/08, John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
> To: flames at tfug.org, tfug at tfug.org
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 4:58 PM
>
> Some suggestions.
>
> It appears the posters here are more fervent with their religious views
than
> even their politics. I checked the flames archives when I signed on and I
> believe this will be the first entry since October, 2004. I am guessing
this
> is
> the most complete, recent entry on the subject. I spell checked the post
to
> make
> it more readable. Moving posts like this to the Flames list may seriously
> degrade the total number of readings we get, but so it goes. People
haven't
> been posting Linux related things very much recently.
>
> Another list
>  I was on used the term "Unleashed" for non Linux related
> posts. We actually had quite a few signed up for that one, but still there
> weren't that many total posts. It was used for more than just religion
and
> politics. Interesting articles that didn't fit the Linux/Computer
category
> were posted there and got replies. The word "Flames" kind of
turns
> people off since no one really wants to read flames. Also, the
> "Flames" list isn't available as an option on the sign up
pages.
> I had to read between the lines to subscribe. You all need to make that
(or
> its
> successor) much more easily accessible. I don't know how many list
members
> are signed up for the Flames list.
>
> Setting up separate lists for "Religious", "Political"
and
> "Other" may also be an option. I tolerate most of your posts
since
> you guys at least know how to spell, etc. Some of the politcal rants
(except
> my
> own, of course) are off the mark and the religious
>  posts even more so. But, I
> learn which way the wind blows through your minds.
>
> This subject (Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes) is being moved to the Flames
> list
> (or its successor). Please make all replies from that list.
>
> John Mc
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
>>Michael Omar Gatto wrote:
> Meh, I served in Afghanistan as a Marine. I'd hate to nuke it since
there
> were a lot of fine people there and the food is damn good, too. I
don't
> like my curries radioactive, mind you...
>
> I said the tribal areas, didn't I? that's where the Taliban are
> attacking us from. Its like the SS went to Liechtenstein 1945 and attacked
> German cities in the 1950s.
>
> Oh, and as a Persian linguist I don't consider most Muslims as
nutcakes and
> although I personally find some Egyptians rather annoying sometimes (used
to
> be
> married to one) it doesn't automatically make them assholes or
terrorists,
> me thinks.
>  Rumor has it that UA holds academic conferences and people,
> apparently (gasp!) sometimes fly in just for a day to score brownie points
> by
> saying they attended...
>
> - Mike Gatto
> +
>
>>eric christian wrote:
> Well, that's just fine. Then you can explain to us the Persian concept
of
> "ketman" (Arabian "taqiya"). I do consider Moslems as
> nutcakes because of their concept of "tauchid" (please excuse
the
> German spelling, i know that its spelled otherwise in English
> "wahid", whatever, but i forget). Tauchid is the essence of
Islam.
> Tauchid is the reason why musselmen hate the west (us). In the West we
have
> this plurality, social life here, private life there, religion here,
> government
> there and so forth. Not so for the musselman, there is only one thing,
Islam
> (tauchid). Europe had this tauchid brain damage in the Dark Ages, it was
> called
>
>                             "Consensus fidelium"
>
> See, goddammit.
>  I don't care about religion or tauchid or Moslems and all
> this bullshit. But they keep attacking us. This is just a waste of time.
> lets
> go back to Linux, dammit.  Eric
> +
>
>>Jude Nelson wrote:
> Eric,
>
> You will find in this world that less than 1% of Muslims are
> "nutcakes".  Just like any mainstream religion, there will
always be
> small ultraconservative groups within it that give every other follower a
> bad
> name.  Should I think that all Christians are nutcakes because a few of
them
> kill homosexuals and abortion doctors, or wear white robes and set crosses
> on
> fire?  Should I think that all Jews are nutcakes because a few of them
want
> to
> ethnically cleanse Palestine? Should I think that all Hindus are nutcakes
> because a few of them try to occasionally burn down Christian churches? 
Of
> course not--it's false induction.  Likewise, not all Muslims are
> "nutcakes" just because a few of them happen to be
>  terrorists.
>
> Regards,  Jude
> +
>
>>Ronald Sutherland wrote:
> K
> I've been drinking some wine...
>
> I find that GUN and Open Source is every bit a religion except, there is a
> large number of resent converts, and resent converts are the most
dangerous,
> although I'm not sure why. It could be that they know so little of all
the
> edge cases that complicate the religion. This suggests to me that Iraq is
> going
> to be a huge problem on so many levels.
>
> Most people assume that man is in the image of god, but how do we know
that
> is
> true. It places restrictions on the very nature and boundaries of god. It
> may
> even break one of the commandments, as in praying though an image or idol
of
> god that is possibly false. I do not presume to know god well enough to
> place
> myself in god's image. Atheist take the easy way out and nuke the
> possibility of god's existence, so they don't have to deal with
the
> rather complex
>  possibility that god exist but is far more than their pathetic
> monkey brain can deal with.
>
> Anyway, keep up the good work tfug, I enjoy the BS when I have a chance to
> read
> it.
>
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