[Tfug] religious nutcakes

[keith smith]

I think this all started with my post so I will bring it back on topic.

I started by talking about the violation of my Fourth Amendment rights.  And yes I am  fervent in that area and in the area of my First Amendment rights to be a Christian and to denounce those who claim to be Christians, which are actually cults. As referred to as Cross burners, et al.

How is this on topic?  This week it is your Fourth Amendment rights they are willing to trample on.  Next week it might be allowing special interest groups to obtain a less than valid patent issued on something Internet related.  Now you have to pay a fee to run a server or connect to the Internet.  Maybe it is Microsoft that get the patent.  Next thing you know every copy of Linux requires a royalty.  At first maybe it is $5.00.  Next year it is $50.00 per copy.

So here is where the rubber meets the road. At what point are you disturbed enough to write a letter or make a phone call?    


When I brought up the H1B visa bill one of the people on the list replied "What are you afraid someone more skilled than you will take your job?".  I was dumbfounded!  I'm  concerned that Corporate America will do me in along with tons of others, to include many on this list.  I'm concerned that pretty soon we will be unemployed while foreign workers  take our jobs while having no loyalty to America and send part of their wages home.

Does gas need to be $5.00 or $7.00 a gallon?  Need to be displaced from your job?  Will you be concerned when they have raised gas to $10.00/gal, and you cannot buy a home, and they privatize the internet, tax Linux?

How far do we slide before we say  OOOOPPPPSSS, I guess it was my problem all along.

Then what? 

I wonder what our founding fathers would say to us today.



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--- On Sat, 7/12/08, John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net> wrote:
From: John Mc <jmcneill2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
To: flames at tfug.org, tfug at tfug.org
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 4:58 PM

Some suggestions.

It appears the posters here are more fervent with their religious views than
even their politics. I checked the flames archives when I signed on and I
believe this will be the first entry since October, 2004. I am guessing this is
the most complete, recent entry on the subject. I spell checked the post to make
it more readable. Moving posts like this to the Flames list may seriously
degrade the total number of readings we get, but so it goes. People haven't
been posting Linux related things very much recently.

Another list I was on used the term "Unleashed" for non Linux related
posts. We actually had quite a few signed up for that one, but still there
weren't that many total posts. It was used for more than just religion and
politics. Interesting articles that didn't fit the Linux/Computer category
were posted there and got replies. The word "Flames" kind of turns
people off since no one really wants to read flames. Also, the
"Flames" list isn't available as an option on the sign up pages.
I had to read between the lines to subscribe. You all need to make that (or its
successor) much more easily accessible. I don't know how many list members
are signed up for the Flames list.

Setting up separate lists for "Religious", "Political" and
"Other" may also be an option. I tolerate most of your posts since
you guys at least know how to spell, etc. Some of the politcal rants (except my
own, of course) are off the mark and the religious posts even more so. But, I
learn which way the wind blows through your minds.

This subject (Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes) is being moved to the Flames list
(or its successor). Please make all replies from that list.

John Mc



Subject: Re: [Tfug] religious nutcakes
>Michael Omar Gatto wrote:
Meh, I served in Afghanistan as a Marine. I'd hate to nuke it since there
were a lot of fine people there and the food is damn good, too. I don't
like my curries radioactive, mind you...

I said the tribal areas, didn't I? that's where the Taliban are
attacking us from. Its like the SS went to Liechtenstein 1945 and attacked
German cities in the 1950s.

Oh, and as a Persian linguist I don't consider most Muslims as nutcakes and
although I personally find some Egyptians rather annoying sometimes (used to be
married to one) it doesn't automatically make them assholes or terrorists,
me thinks. Rumor has it that UA holds academic conferences and people,
apparently (gasp!) sometimes fly in just for a day to score brownie points by
saying they attended...

- Mike Gatto
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>eric christian wrote:
Well, that's just fine. Then you can explain to us the Persian concept of
"ketman" (Arabian "taqiya"). I do consider Moslems as
nutcakes because of their concept of "tauchid" (please excuse the
German spelling, i know that its spelled otherwise in English
"wahid", whatever, but i forget). Tauchid is the essence of Islam.
Tauchid is the reason why musselmen hate the west (us). In the West we have
this plurality, social life here, private life there, religion here, government
there and so forth. Not so for the musselman, there is only one thing, Islam
(tauchid). Europe had this tauchid brain damage in the Dark Ages, it was called

                            "Consensus fidelium"

See, goddammit. I don't care about religion or tauchid or Moslems and all
this bullshit. But they keep attacking us. This is just a waste of time. lets
go back to Linux, dammit.  Eric
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>Jude Nelson wrote:
Eric,

You will find in this world that less than 1% of Muslims are
"nutcakes".  Just like any mainstream religion, there will always be
small ultraconservative groups within it that give every other follower a bad
name.  Should I think that all Christians are nutcakes because a few of them
kill homosexuals and abortion doctors, or wear white robes and set crosses on
fire?  Should I think that all Jews are nutcakes because a few of them want to
ethnically cleanse Palestine? Should I think that all Hindus are nutcakes
because a few of them try to occasionally burn down Christian churches?  Of
course not--it's false induction.  Likewise, not all Muslims are
"nutcakes" just because a few of them happen to be terrorists.

Regards,  Jude
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>Ronald Sutherland wrote:
K
I've been drinking some wine...

I find that GUN and Open Source is every bit a religion except, there is a
large number of resent converts, and resent converts are the most dangerous,
although I'm not sure why. It could be that they know so little of all the
edge cases that complicate the religion. This suggests to me that Iraq is going
to be a huge problem on so many levels.

Most people assume that man is in the image of god, but how do we know that is
true. It places restrictions on the very nature and boundaries of god. It may
even break one of the commandments, as in praying though an image or idol of
god that is possibly false. I do not presume to know god well enough to place
myself in god's image. Atheist take the easy way out and nuke the
possibility of god's existence, so they don't have to deal with the
rather complex possibility that god exist but is far more than their pathetic
monkey brain can deal with.

Anyway, keep up the good work tfug, I enjoy the BS when I have a chance to read
it.

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