[Tfug] pirates of silicon valley

Thu Sep 28 11:43:36 MST 2006

I'm not interested in creating an O/S.  

Just wonder how someone can become the riches guy in the world while someone possibly smarter and more talented might end up a clerk at circle K.  

It's my "hippie couch" where we sit and talk about questions like "Why are we here?' or "What is the meaning of life?".

Why did apple fall short with a better product while M$ rocketed with inferior products.  M$ office is the only product I think they got right (in my opinion).

The only thing I can come up with is Bill sold vaporware to IBM who had the clout to take a "toy" to the level of a business machine.  

Before IBM the PC was a toy that might get you laughed at if used in corporate America.  After IBM the PC was a status symbol.

I don't know..... just my thoughts.

Keith

sitkaa at email.arizona.edu wrote: The movie is not available on Google Video, but Netflix has it. We'll 
be getting
it in about a week to see what the hullaballoo is all about.

Using lessons from B. Gates to make money seems abit, Idunno, uh, not quite
right somehow...

Perhaps a better train of consideration is why has Microsoft done so well in
developing its ubiquity, and conversely, why has Linux not developed ubiquity.

If you want to develop an OS, I would think that these questions should be
always on the mind.

Quoting Tim Ottinger :

> I think the bill lesson is twofold:
> "sell things you don't have"
> and
> "rule the distribution channels with an iron fist"
>
> The rest, I think, was luck.  But those two things were clearly hard-core
> business practices.
>
> On 9/27/06, keith smith  wrote:
>>
>> Ever watch "pirates of silicon valley"?  I've watched it maybe 4 or 5
>> times.  Several months ago I watched it 3 times in 2 days.
>>
>> I do not know how accurate it is.
>>
>> Bill Gates.  How does one become the riches man in the world?
>>
>> I would suggest:
>> - His father was lawyer : He saw things as legal not moral.
>> - He grew up with a corporate mentality and emulated it.
>> - Salesmanship.  He was corporate minded and forced the issue.
>> - Tenacity :  I think he put in long hours and was willing to do what it
>> took.
>> - He was better at the Watergate thing than Nixon.
>> - Was and is a slave driver.  However his slaves do get compensated well.
>> - Was good at taking others ideas and making them his own.
>> - most everything he did was backwardly compatible.
>>
>> Steve Jobs while successfully was a hippie.
>> - He was a slave driver and probably still is.
>> - He was a little bazaar in how he pitted one group against another.
>> - I'm not sure he even knew about protecting his trade secrets.
>> - Far Superior superior product.
>> - At 3 or more points his product was not backwardly compatible.
>> - Failed to align himself with a big conservative company.
>> - While Superior his company is a distant 2nd at best.
>>
>> Now here is the million dollar question :
>>
>> What can I learn from this that will make me a better businessman
>> today?  (Make more Money ETC)
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> PS : I'm going to post this to several lists so you might see it somewhere
>> else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sitkaa at email.arizona.edu wrote: Whether or not the angry wildcat is
>> piloting the hovercraft matters far less
>> than the its crafty feral ways. A wildcat needs no hovercraft to be
>> crazed,
>> setting off a storm of excitement, rather than letting sleeping dogs lie
>> (and
>> lie, and lie, and lie). The hovercraft is only useful in destroying
>> infrastructure, about which any wildcat would care less. This cat is just
>> pissed.
>>
>> As I sat in class tonight, supposedly learning, and attempting to take
>> notes on
>> my Microsoft based laptop, I just got angrier and angrier at Bill
>> Gates, not to
>> mention the people behind him. Not only does he enforce a monopoly at
>> every
>> chance, buy politicians like all the major corporate elite, and quash
>> innovative ideas lest they compete, not only that but his programs just
>> suck.
>> They are expensive, don't work right, are loaded with bugs, spyware,
>> backdoors,
>> and they just suck.
>>
>> I just wish everyone used a Unix based system so I could too. Yes, thank
>> goodness for Bill Gates, the man who most exemplifies this century of
>> unchecked
>> competitive greed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting "Bowie J. Poag" :
>>
>> > You know, i'm not sure. Feral or not, they're still a formidable threat.
>> >
>> > I would imagine that any bobcat behind the wheel/stick/yoke of a
>> > hovercraft is either angry, or frightened. The way I picture it, the
>> > "angry" version sort of knows in a weird non-human but feline way that
>> > what it's doing amounts to an act of agression, and as such, is capable
>> > of guiding or controlling the hovercraft albeit in a haphazard manner,
>> > guiding it toward it's target--my home.. You know, bouncing off of trees
>> > and stuff, hissing and meowing, but still capable of minimal control. In
>> > the other version, the bobcat is totally freaked out since it's totally
>> > out of it's element. To a bobcat, there's nothing natural about a
>> > neighborhood, or homes, a hovercraft, or controls..So, it's just
>> > flailing around on the controls, hissing, meowing, and randomly hitting
>> > things and turning in different directions..including toward my house,
>> > up onto my lawn and hitting my house.
>> >
>> > I think we have stumbled upon one of the most frightening "feral animal
>> > + special-purpose vehicle" scenarios we are likely to ever encounter.
>> > I've thought about it....Bear + Blimp, Walrus + Ornithopter, even Bruin
>> > + Space Shuttle.....but nothing terrifies me more than Bobcat +
>> > Hovercraft. Nothing.
>> >
>> > Have the FreeBSD folks ever had to deal with this scenario? :)
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Bowie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John Gruenenfelder wrote:
>> >
>> >> Are bobcats still considered feral when piloting hovercraft?  That
>> >> would seem
>> >> to indicate a certain amount of domestication.  When you help them,
>> that
>> >> doesn't involve vehicle training, right?
>> >>
>> >> (Not to belittle you very good point, it's just that, well, bobcats +
>> >> hovercraft = funny)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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