[Tfug] Re: CIS faculty at PCC west disavow existence of Linux classes

[Anthony Steckman]

Nice touch, that talking trash bit.


+ I'm probably responding to some of what was said below:

. Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:15:41 -0700
. Subject: Re: [Tfug] Re: CIS faculty at PCC west disavow existence of
.     Linux classes
. From: Sam Iam <new_found_something@hotmail.com>
. Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org
. To: tfug@tfug.org
. 
. 
. whoa...somebody got rubbed the wrong way....what everyone needs to do is 
. calm down, count backwards from ten before shooting their mouths off...
. 
. teena your reply was entertaining but what you need to keep in mind is that 
. opinions are like your poop-shoot, everyone has one...
. 
. and what you also have to face are some facts...you have to take some 
. courses (namely 127A or B, 227) neither which are oo..335 is a core req. so 
. about your notion on all this voodoo pre-cs fundamental 
. techniques...(getting lazyy...don't feel like typing...
. 
. but because you take one course in it doesn't make you a full on programmer 
. just like sticking feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken..
. 
. anyways, been there done that, and I can honestly say it is subpar...
. 
. + probably talking trash to the bottom reply..
. 
. 
. >From: Teena <jasmint@mindspring.com>
. >Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org
. >To: tfug <tfug@tfug.org>
. >Subject: [Tfug] Re: CIS faculty at PCC west disavow existence of Linux 
. >classes
. >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:21:16 -0700 (MST)
. >
. >Leo Przybylski wrote:
. >
. > >I absolutely agree with. Most of the CS students that UA is
. > >churning out lack a lot of Computer Science fundamentals <snip>
. >
. >I'm very surprised by your impression of the UA CS department, but perhaps 
. >I'm biased since I received my Computer Science degree from that very same 
. >department a year ago. Granted, this is not Stanford or MIT but the faculty 
. >of this department are some of the top in their field; not the least of 
. >whom was Ian Murdock, the founder of Debian.
. >
. > >Maybe this has much to do with CS' s main focus on
. > >compilers/interpreters and programming languages. I've
. > >noticed that ECE focuses much on fundamentals of patterns, >algorithms, 
. >operating systems and hardware with embedded >instruction sets.
. >
. >Typically, an academic Computer Science program at the university level 
. >grows as an extension of either the Math department or the Engineering 
. >department. The emphasis on either "hardware" or "software" is often 
. >apparent as to which of these departments it grows from.
. >
. >A distinction must be made between the curricula of ECE and CS. ECE focuses 
. >on the engineering fundementals -- architecture, hardware design, etc. 
. >whereas CS focuses on programming, compilers, filesystems, data structures, 
. >and algorithms. It would be erroneous to make judgements on the quality ECE 
. >program
. >against a CS program without taking into account the disparate objectives 
. >of both programs. I would accept a comparison between the Computer Science 
. >programs at other universities but not between the ECE and CS within the 
. >same university.
. >
. > >I believe that with CS's focus on interpreters and programming >languages 
. >that more CS would be involved than it actually is.
. >
. >A good CS program should teach an in depth understanding of interpreters, 
. >compiler design and programming language paradigms -- it would not be a 
. >complete CS program without it.
. >
. > >Even the OOP is sub-par.
. >
. >I would also strongly deny this. You don't simply become a UA Computer 
. >Science student. You must be accepted into the program before you can 
. >continue past the 2nd year. A large part of that requirement is to get a B 
. >or better in Object Oriented Programming and Design courses. There is a 
. >huge emphasis on learning good programming design principles during this 
. >"pre-CS" period. If you don't learn it, you will not be accepted to the 
. >program until you do.
. >
. > >Of course, I have never actually taken any of the CS classes or >the ECE 
. >classes. I only obtain this information from students >that come in my way.
. >
. >Take a look at the respective websites of both the CS and ECE programs. 
. >Talk to students who are actually accepted in either program and who are 
. >successful in those programs; or take a class yourself. Do this before 
. >making judgements about the quality of a very worthy academic program and 
. >the graduates thereof.
. >
. >Teena
. >jasmint at mindspring dot com
. >
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