[Tfug] Re: CIS faculty at PCC west disavow existence of Linux classes

[Sam Iam]

whoa...somebody got rubbed the wrong way....what everyone needs to do is 
calm down, count backwards from ten before shooting their mouths off...

teena your reply was entertaining but what you need to keep in mind is that 
opinions are like your poop-shoot, everyone has one...

and what you also have to face are some facts...you have to take some 
courses (namely 127A or B, 227) neither which are oo..335 is a core req. so 
about your notion on all this voodoo pre-cs fundamental 
techniques...(getting lazyy...don't feel like typing...

but because you take one course in it doesn't make you a full on programmer 
just like sticking feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken..

anyways, been there done that, and I can honestly say it is subpar...

+ probably talking trash to the bottom reply..


>From: Teena <jasmint@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org
>To: tfug <tfug@tfug.org>
>Subject: [Tfug] Re: CIS faculty at PCC west disavow existence of Linux 
>classes
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:21:16 -0700 (MST)
>
>Leo Przybylski wrote:
>
> >I absolutely agree with. Most of the CS students that UA is
> >churning out lack a lot of Computer Science fundamentals <snip>
>
>I'm very surprised by your impression of the UA CS department, but perhaps 
>I'm biased since I received my Computer Science degree from that very same 
>department a year ago. Granted, this is not Stanford or MIT but the faculty 
>of this department are some of the top in their field; not the least of 
>whom was Ian Murdock, the founder of Debian.
>
> >Maybe this has much to do with CS' s main focus on
> >compilers/interpreters and programming languages. I've
> >noticed that ECE focuses much on fundamentals of patterns, >algorithms, 
>operating systems and hardware with embedded >instruction sets.
>
>Typically, an academic Computer Science program at the university level 
>grows as an extension of either the Math department or the Engineering 
>department. The emphasis on either "hardware" or "software" is often 
>apparent as to which of these departments it grows from.
>
>A distinction must be made between the curricula of ECE and CS. ECE focuses 
>on the engineering fundementals -- architecture, hardware design, etc. 
>whereas CS focuses on programming, compilers, filesystems, data structures, 
>and algorithms. It would be erroneous to make judgements on the quality ECE 
>program
>against a CS program without taking into account the disparate objectives 
>of both programs. I would accept a comparison between the Computer Science 
>programs at other universities but not between the ECE and CS within the 
>same university.
>
> >I believe that with CS's focus on interpreters and programming >languages 
>that more CS would be involved than it actually is.
>
>A good CS program should teach an in depth understanding of interpreters, 
>compiler design and programming language paradigms -- it would not be a 
>complete CS program without it.
>
> >Even the OOP is sub-par.
>
>I would also strongly deny this. You don't simply become a UA Computer 
>Science student. You must be accepted into the program before you can 
>continue past the 2nd year. A large part of that requirement is to get a B 
>or better in Object Oriented Programming and Design courses. There is a 
>huge emphasis on learning good programming design principles during this 
>"pre-CS" period. If you don't learn it, you will not be accepted to the 
>program until you do.
>
> >Of course, I have never actually taken any of the CS classes or >the ECE 
>classes. I only obtain this information from students >that come in my way.
>
>Take a look at the respective websites of both the CS and ECE programs. 
>Talk to students who are actually accepted in either program and who are 
>successful in those programs; or take a class yourself. Do this before 
>making judgements about the quality of a very worthy academic program and 
>the graduates thereof.
>
>Teena
>jasmint at mindspring dot com
>
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