[Tfug] FWD: RUSSELL PAVLICEK: "The Open Source"

[Kasey O'Connor]

OpenBSD as a secure OS?  OpenBSD may say they are the most secure and robust
OS, but they also backdoor their software so people like you that go, "Oh
yeah, its openbsd, it must be secure", can be penetrated.  You should go
check out how when GOBBLES posted sshutuptheo and their apache backword
memcpy() exploit and see how the defacement sites went higher then any other
os in that month.  And don't forget how theo pretended that these types of
exploits, (backword memcpy() on bsd) bugs didnt work.  This whole thing
about being secure and which os is better, and what linux app you use makes
me sick of the industry, I remember when it was all about learning and
finding stuff out and not about views and what people think from an article
they read instead of trying it out for themselves.

There is no such thing as security.

Just because you use linux, openbsd, or windows does not make you secure
even if you are all patched, most hackers that actually hack do not tell
anyone about their bugs which is why boasting that some os is more secure
then others is really stupid.

It also makes me sick that people lie on their resume's and portray
themselves as some kind of geek gods or something making it harder for us
little guys to get work.

Just a thought.  Do not send me e-mail to tell me that im wrong, because you
prove my point.  Just ignore this message.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Hess" <tony@engr.arizona.edu>
To: <tfug@tfug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Tfug] FWD: RUSSELL PAVLICEK: "The Open Source"


> Lets be honest - as a former military member I can assure you that most
> people in military IT don't know much about computing beyond their time
> monkeying with the latest version of Windows ..
>
> Wait, how is that different from IT everywhere else?
>
> At least with Linux there is some validity based on past security issues.
> However in the last couple of years I think Linux has done pretty well
from
> a security standpoint.  But no other Oses besides Windows?  Please.
> OpenBSD, to bring up an obvious example, obliterates Windows from a
security
> perspective and always has.  Hopefully over time grassroots pressure can
> change the anti Linux attitudes in areas of government and the military.
>
> Remember though, it won't be easy.  There are an awful lot of people in
this
> country whose livelihoods depend on the crappy MS empire (software that
> breaks a lot makes the fixers more money) - they won't quit easily.  Not
> only that but the kind of money machine that Microsoft has created tends
to
> influence votes.
>
> Tony
>
> On 9/18/02 12:53 PM, "Jim Secan" <jim@nwra-az.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a very serious problem, and it reaches even deeper than he
> > describes.  I do some work for the DoD on data-collection systems, and
> > we've been told by the USAF Network Nazis that Linux/OS solutions were
> > unacceptable on USAF networks because of security worries.  The only
> > acceptable solutions were (you guessed it) Microsoft Windows.  The
lobbying
> > reaches down to the worker-bee level with FUD and everything else MS and
> > their friends can bring to bear.
> >
> > Jim
>
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