[Tfug] Two Free Moniters

Mon Jul 1 21:40:02 2002

Hi All:

The University of Arizona Extended University (south of Speedway/Euclid) has
two full-functional 15 inch color monitors looking for good homes. If
interested, contact Steve Johnson at 626-5093 or e-mail me at
shj@email.arizona.edu.

PS - Don't forget to register for our free Unix/Linux training on Saturday,
July 13th, from 8:30 - 12:30. Contact me at the e-mail above to register.

Best,

Steve

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Looking for a switch (Bruce R Nevins)
   2. Re: warchalking (Rush Dougherty)
   3. 10/100 nic (Tony Eamick)
   4. Re: 10/100 nic (Zardus@nbwrpg.com)
   5. Re: 10/100 nic (Tony Eamick)
   6. Re: warchalking (Jeffrey Denton)
   7. meeting reminder (John E. Morrow)
   8. Re: warchalking (klsmith)
   9. Re: Re: warchalking (klsmith)
  10. Re: Misc. Item (klsmith)
  11. Re: warchalking (Tyler Kilian)
  12. Re: warchalking (klsmith)
  13. Re: warchalking (klsmith)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:23:23 -0700
From: Bruce R Nevins <bnevins@nexiliscom.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Looking for a switch
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Yep, I can do a trade with you. I have an 8 port 10base T workgroup hub,
small, no fan. Lights and connectors all on the front. Contact me at the
number below, or send an email. If you need more let me know. I handle a lot
of hardware, buy cheap, sell cheap.
	Bruce
--
Bruce R. Nevins, bnevins@nexiliscom.com
Vice President, Nexilis Communications Corp.
2527 E. 3rd St., Tucson, AZ, 85716-4114
+1-520-795-6000, +1-520-795-0158 (Fax)
http://www.nexiliscom.com/

Goldarg wrote:

>I'm looking for someone who may want to trade switches,
>
>I've recently re-structured my network at home and have found I need a
>small quiet switch to replace my loud large switch, I'm looking for
>atleast 8 ports that are 10 meg switched.
>
>I have to trade a 3com Lanplex 2500
>1x 100mb port
>FDDI
>2x 8 port 10mb cards
>
>supports snmp management, has two serial ports for a console and a modem
>and a pcmcia slot for backing up configurations or posisbly putting
>another network interface into.
>
>Its too loud to go in my bedroom where I now need switching.
>
>Anyone interested in a trade?
>
>
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Message: 2
From: "Rush Dougherty" <RushD45@earthlink.net>
To: <tfug@tfug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:54:45 -0700
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.html

Here ya go... chek it out.....
In 7 states Legal Mobil Scanners are PROHIBITED...
So some states make it illegal to know what your police are doing...
And there is one state that makes it illegal to use a Legal Ham Novice
Mobile Scanner.

Rush

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bowie J. Poag" <bpoag@comcast.net>
To: <tfug@tfug.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking

>
> > Interetersting.  Never heard of that one.  Why do the police fail to
> > arrest those of us with scanners?
>
> Dont be an idiot. Why would there be an industry that manufactured and
sold
> police scanners if using them was an arrestable offense? By your logic,
> there should be a squad car parked infront of every Radio Shack to check
to
> see if you've bought a scanner, and arrest you on the spot if you have.
>
> Police radio transmissions are left open intentionally. You have a right
to
> know what your local police are up to, but you do NOT have the right to
> interfere--- If you try to _broadcast_ over police frequencies, you go to
> jail. You'll also go to jail if you're using a scanner as part of an
illegal
> activity, i.e. you and your buddies want to drag race down Speedway, and
> want to know if there are any cops around.  Haven't you ever read the
> friggin manual that comes with your scanner?
>
> > How would I know it was not for me unless I intercept it?  Does this
> > also apply to CB radios?
>
> Again, don't be an idiot. Think. CB = CITIZENS BAND.  The FCC set aside a
> portion of the spectrum for Joe Citizen to tinker with. Its left open
> intentionally.
>
> Spare me the extra chromosome in the future. Nothing irks me more than
> someone who would rather flap their gums than use their head. "Why do the
> police fail to arrest those of us with scanners?" ....Jesus christ.
>
> Bowie
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:11:49 -0700
From: Tony Eamick <teamick@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: [Tfug] 10/100 nic
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

anyone have 2 - 10/100 pci nics that you would part with ?

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:01:06 -0700 (MST)
From: <Zardus@nbwrpg.com>
To: <tfug@tfug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] 10/100 nic
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Tony Eamick wrote:

> anyone have 2 - 10/100 pci nics that you would part with ?

Do you have anything to trade or would this be a donation?

- Yan

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:00:55 -0700
From: Tony Eamick <teamick@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] 10/100 nic
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Zardus@nbwrpg.com wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Tony Eamick wrote:
>
>>anyone have 2 - 10/100 pci nics that you would part with ?
>>
>
>Do you have anything to trade or would this be a donation?
>
>
>- Yan
>
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I can buy or trade. What do you want for them? What are you looking for
in trade? I have a lot of stuff. I am also looking for an ata33 hard
drive for a book pc. For trading I have stuff like sca ultra160
adapter,ECS 500 mhz pentium motherboard,Micronics dual PPro 200
motherboard with cpu's & 64mb ram, ISA nics / video / sound cards.even a
cabletron SSR255 dsl modem, USR 56k ext modems , scsi 160 cable , matrox
g200 agp video card ,  a shurestor scsi drive that sounds like a jet
engine taking off and 3 or 4 ide drives of 400-600 mbs . What brand are
the nics? Are they new or used?
agp video card 8mb.
a SSR255 dsl modem

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:08:56 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeffrey Denton <dentonj@c2i2.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

http://www.panix.com/~clay/scanning/rules.shtml

There are only two things that I'm aware of that are illegal to do with
scanners
in Arizona.  The first is listening to cell phones or possessing a device
that
has been modified (key word) to pick up those frequencies.  You can't
legally
buy a scanner in the US that can pick up those frequencies.  The second one
is
that it's illegal to use a scanner in Arizona in conjuction with a crime.  I
heard that at an ARRL meeting, but a quick search of google didn't turn up
anything.

dentonj

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Message: 7
From: "John E. Morrow" <morrow@morrow.homeip.net>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:10:56 -0700
Subject: [Tfug] meeting reminder
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Just a reminder that there is a meeting tonight at St.Greg in the
library. Bring your favorite project to work.

I've just recieve a few new eMacs. If anyone is interested in trying a
linux install on one just bring in your favorite ppc distro.

John

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:07:13 -0700
From: klsmith <klsmith@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Bowie J. Poag wrote:

>>Interetersting.  Never heard of that one.  Why do the police fail to
>>arrest those of us with scanners?
>>
>
>Dont be an idiot. Why would there be an industry that manufactured and sold
>police scanners if using them was an arrestable offense? By your logic,
>there should be a squad car parked infront of every Radio Shack to check to
>see if you've bought a scanner, and arrest you on the spot if you have.
>
>Police radio transmissions are left open intentionally. You have a right to
>know what your local police are up to, but you do NOT have the right to
>interfere--- If you try to _broadcast_ over police frequencies, you go to
>jail. You'll also go to jail if you're using a scanner as part of an
illegal
>activity, i.e. you and your buddies want to drag race down Speedway, and
>want to know if there are any cops around.  Haven't you ever read the
>friggin manual that comes with your scanner?
>
Could you give me a statute number or web page that shows either Federal
Law or State statute IE Arizona Revised Statute?

>
>>How would I know it was not for me unless I intercept it?  Does this
>>also apply to CB radios?
>>
>
>Again, don't be an idiot. Think. CB = CITIZENS BAND.  The FCC set aside a
>portion of the spectrum for Joe Citizen to tinker with. Its left open
>intentionally.
>
>Spare me the extra chromosome in the future. Nothing irks me more than
>someone who would rather flap their gums than use their head. "Why do the
>police fail to arrest those of us with scanners?" ....Jesus christ.
>

Oh No not the extra chromosome! I'm really a mess.  And a Tin Foil Hat to
boot!

Show me some reference material please.

Keith

>
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:11:46 -0700
From: klsmith <klsmith@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Re: warchalking
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Tom Rini wrote:

>On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 11:43:27AM -0700, klsmith wrote:
>
>>I personally will never wardrive because I'm not up for the hassle of
>>dealing with a system gone wrong (government).  However if I were to and
>>was ever charged for doing no more than using available bandwidth, I
>>would make Nick's argument.
>>
>>"...attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
>>authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
>>welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner."
>>
>
>That's a really bad argument since you're picking nits about how the
>technology works, not how the controlling entity set things up.  The
>intent (quite probably, unless they're offering free wireless
>connectivity to anyone walking buy) is that only authorized users would
>be attempting to connect in the first place.
>
>Technically the technology said 'sure, come on in!', but computers
>aren't the ones who legally are responsible for the policy.
>
>The fact is that unless you've got explicit permission for the legal
>entity behind/responsible for the connection, there's not really a
>difference between sitting in your car and connecting vs running a
>really long enet cable out of an open window.
>
Have you ever seen what goes on in a court room.  This would be an
excellent argument and a compelling one at that.

Keith.

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:14:55 -0700
From: klsmith <klsmith@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Misc. Item
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Dude, Thats funny!

Jack Gillum wrote:

>Some Saturday afternoon humor:
>
>http://www.signslanguage.com/windows.jpg
>
>enough said!
>
>-Jack
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:14:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
From: Tyler Kilian <tkilian@dakotacom.net>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

According to a guy I just met on IRC, it is illegal in 17 states to
posses a telephone and in 4 states using a cell phone to call another
cell phone is a class 19 felony.  Under federal law, no communications
device can emit radio waves.

# Tyler Kilian, CCNP
# Technology Director, Dakota Communications
# TKilian@DakotaCom.NET | 520.745.3900 x 100

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:18:54 -0700
From: klsmith <klsmith@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

So at the Arizona state level scanning is legal according to this article.

Keith

Rush Dougherty wrote:

>http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scanlaws.html
>
>Here ya go... chek it out.....
>In 7 states Legal Mobil Scanners are PROHIBITED...
>So some states make it illegal to know what your police are doing...
>And there is one state that makes it illegal to use a Legal Ham Novice
>Mobile Scanner.
>
>Rush
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bowie J. Poag" <bpoag@comcast.net>
>To: <tfug@tfug.org>
>Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
>
>
>>>Interetersting.  Never heard of that one.  Why do the police fail to
>>>arrest those of us with scanners?
>>>
>>Dont be an idiot. Why would there be an industry that manufactured and
>>
>sold
>
>>police scanners if using them was an arrestable offense? By your logic,
>>there should be a squad car parked infront of every Radio Shack to check
>>
>to
>
>>see if you've bought a scanner, and arrest you on the spot if you have.
>>
>>Police radio transmissions are left open intentionally. You have a right
>>
>to
>
>>know what your local police are up to, but you do NOT have the right to
>>interfere--- If you try to _broadcast_ over police frequencies, you go to
>>jail. You'll also go to jail if you're using a scanner as part of an
>>
>illegal
>
>>activity, i.e. you and your buddies want to drag race down Speedway, and
>>want to know if there are any cops around.  Haven't you ever read the
>>friggin manual that comes with your scanner?
>>
>>>How would I know it was not for me unless I intercept it?  Does this
>>>also apply to CB radios?
>>>
>>Again, don't be an idiot. Think. CB = CITIZENS BAND.  The FCC set aside a
>>portion of the spectrum for Joe Citizen to tinker with. Its left open
>>intentionally.
>>
>>Spare me the extra chromosome in the future. Nothing irks me more than
>>someone who would rather flap their gums than use their head. "Why do the
>>police fail to arrest those of us with scanners?" ....Jesus christ.
>>
>>Bowie
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>tfug mailing list
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>>http://www.tfug.org/mailman/listinfo/tfug
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:24:02 -0700
From: klsmith <klsmith@ultrasw.com>
To: tfug@tfug.org
Subject: Re: [Tfug] warchalking
Reply-To: tfug@tfug.org

Jeffrey Denton wrote:

>http://www.panix.com/~clay/scanning/rules.shtml
>
>There are only two things that I'm aware of that are illegal to do with
scanners
>in Arizona.  The first is listening to cell phones or possessing a device
that
>has been modified (key word) to pick up those frequencies.  You can't
legally
>buy a scanner in the US that can pick up those frequencies.  The second one
is
>that it's illegal to use a scanner in Arizona in conjuction with a crime.
I
>heard that at an ARRL meeting, but a quick search of google didn't turn up
>anything.
>
>dentonj
>
>--
>dd if=/dev/random bs=1024 count=10 | \
>mail -s "Green Cow" spook@nsa.gov
>
>
This is my point.  The authorities do not arrest without being able to
charge you by statute title and number.  We can say well this... or well
that.... But until we read the actual law and case law that goes along
with it, we will just be moving forward blindly.

Keith

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