[Tfug] Slightly OT regarding advanced "whois" searches...

[Jim March]

Ah.  OK, well...crap :).

Makes sense though.  Sorry for bothering y'all.

Jim

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Tue, 9/4/12, Jim March <1.jim.march at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is about which websites are run by the
> > same rogue host/designer company.
>
> Yes, which is why I used the example:
>
>    OTOH, if you have names of a few folks and are hoping to
>    issue a blind "tell me which web sites (in the universe of
>    all potential web sites) these folks are associated with",
>    then you're SoL.
>
> "Which websites (domain names) is Jim March responsible for?"
>
> "Which websites are hosted by SleazyWebSites, Inc?"
>
> "Which websites does W.X.Y.Z serve up?"
>
> Sorry, but you can't do that with the DNS registry and its existing
> search tools.
>
> What you're looking for is akin to using a conventional phone
> book (whitepages) and trying to figure out the names and phone
> numbers of everyone claiming "123 Main Street" as their address.
>
> The only way to do this would be to issue repeated queries (i.e.,
> lookup a sh*tload of "names" -- since names are the primary key in
> a conventional phone book) and *build* your own database based
> on the results that you obtain.  Then, you could index *that*
> database however you wanted to satisfy your future queries.
>
> In essence, you would exhaustively query the initial database
> until you had extracted *every* record:
>
>    Lookup Aaaaa
>    Lookup Aaaab
>    Lookup Aaaac
>    ...
>    Lookup Zzzzz
>
> Trying to do the same to the name registry would use up all the
> calendar time you have available to you in this lifetime!  :>
>
> OTOH, if you have a list of websites, IP addresses, etc. "of interest",
> then you can query *those* names, addresses, etc. and build a database
> of just those results (a finite task).   Then, you can look for whatever
> patterns are important to you.
>
> From my understanding of your goal, this is NOT what you want.
> You, instead, have a handle on *some* "culprits" and want to be
> able to expand that knowledge to incorporate sites that you
> haven't yet "discovered"/encountered.  An analog for Joe Consumer:
>
> "I bought a product that was defective.  I know that it was sold
> by Bozonics, Inc.  After some investigation, I determined that it
> was made by Sleazituity, Inc.  I want to make sure I never buy
> any other products sold by Bozonics or *made* by Sleazituity!!!
> I need to know this BEFORE any purchase is made!"
>
> If, OTOOH, you had an "in" at one of the registrars, you could
> probably search their database using any sort of non-standard
> key that you wanted!  "Give me a list of all registrations
> where the first name of the responsible party is 'Enrico'..."
> (of course, that only covers entries at *that* registrar!)
>
> This is akin to having an in at the phone company (or whoever
> it is that publishes phone books, nowadays) and being able to
> issue the "who is at 123 Main Street" query directly to their
> database.
>
> --don
>
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