[Tfug] Fwd: Open Government Initiative

[Joshua Zeidner]

 to further illustrate my point, this project, OTOH, was lauded as
highly innovative :

    http://www.calit2.net/newsroom/article.php?id=1546

  another view:

    http://www.wnd.com/2009/12/117865/

 -jmz


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Just pointing out that these information services are being
> threatened.  I outlined the nature of the risks in one of my previous
> posts.
>
>  Personally, I don't agree that this particular service is 'racially
> profiling', but rather offering a service to the community to help
> them manage crime.  I hope to see more services like it in the future.
>  Maricopa county should support and implement similar services.
>
>  -jmz
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Christopher Robbins <robbinsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wait, how was that a government information service?  In fact, the story
>> doesn't even say that it was attacked legally, just that a lawyer felt that
>> it was condoning racial profiling?
>>
>> From your link -
>>
>> "A Valley attorney said a new website that allows users to identify anyone
>> they suspect is an illegal immigrant is a recipe for racial profiling.
>>  Attorney Daniel Ortega said the site, www.illegalalienreport.com, promotes
>> hate based on the color of skin.
>>
>> The site appeared to have been taken down by Wednesday afternoon."
>>
>> It doesn't appear that the site was run by the government, or taken down by
>> government forces...
>>
>> I'm with John - why not let it run its course instead of assuming ill
>> intent?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  sorry wrong link : http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1539055
>>>
>>>  -jmz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >  A recent example of an information service being attacked legally:
>>> >
>>> >   http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1539115
>>> >
>>> >  Unfortunately, they had to take the site down.  I'm sure similar
>>> > services are also legally bullied.
>>> >
>>> >  -jmz
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM, John Gruenenfelder
>>> >> <jetpackjohn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> On May 7, 2012 4:36 PM, "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi Keith,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>  I'm suspicious as well.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>  Most of these programs aim to appeal to ideas such as
>>> >>>> 'transparency',
>>> >>>> 'information access', etc. but typically want to promote some kind of
>>> >>>> political bias.  In the case of Tucson and Phoenix, demographics data
>>> >>>> is a
>>> >>>> CRITICAL NATIONAL ISSUE and I doubt very much that some local
>>> >>>> initiative
>>> >>>> would have the political clout to simply start publishing it on the
>>> >>>> net.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>  -jmz
>>> >>>
>>> >>> While I have no desire to be used or lied to, doesn't it seem
>>> >>> counterproductive to assume ill will and malfeasance from the start?
>>> >>> Let's
>>> >>> face it, this isn't something that has been tried repeatedly and ended
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> failure.  At least, not in Arizona and Tucson.
>>> >>
>>> >>  The risk here is that ALL efforts to publish information will be
>>> >> under the aegis of said organizations (which as claimed are private
>>> >> non-profits).  If any efforts don't coincide with their political
>>> >> goals, then they don't get implemented.  These kind of things are
>>> >> constructed to appear to be positive and neutral.
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It would best to take the offer at face value until there is some sign
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> the goal is something other than open government.  I should think it
>>> >>> would
>>> >>> be fairly obvious to detect being jerked around.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I also don't understand your statement about the demographics data.
>>> >>> Regardless of whether or not the data is nationally important, why
>>> >>> wouldn't
>>> >>> a local initiative be able to place it online?
>>> >>
>>> >>  If a local sheriff cannot enforce State and Federal law without
>>> >> constant interference and harassment from the Federal government, do
>>> >> you really think that a local IT initiative is going to be able to
>>> >> operate without interference?  of course not.  Being that this group
>>> >> seems both legit and unconcerned about these risks speaks loud and
>>> >> clear.
>>> >>
>>> >>  -jmz
>>> >>
>>>
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