[Tfug] SSD plans & disk usage : dating?

Mon Jan 17 20:11:13 MST 2011

Then you must have enjoyed the punch cards at the UofA.  I saw those punch cards in 83/84 at the U.

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Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Richard B Clark <rbclark47 at cox.net> wrote:

From: Richard B Clark <rbclark47 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] SSD plans & disk usage : dating?
To: "'Tucson Free Unix Group'" <tfug at tfug.org>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:17 PM

Dating himself?I got be the sole programmer/analyst on a new dual floppied IBM 3740 “workstation”  (no hard drive) back in 1974, while getting my BS at the UofAz.The 5.25” floppies held an astounding amount of data (at that time), which I believe was 250Kb each, read/write.Beat the heck out of punched cards.As late as the mid 1980’s Burr-Brown in Tucson was still using a few old boxes that used 8” floppies to boot from. They were lousy Frisbees. No aerodynamics at all.The plan to use an SSD for root and /usr for an older machine for Linux is great.I’m waiting for the prices to come down a bit before I move in that direction for an older server box.-Richard Clark  From: tfug-bounces at tfug.org [mailto:tfug-bounces at tfug.org] On Behalf Of keith smith
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:18 PM
To: Tucson Free Unix Group
Subject: Re: [Tfug] SSD plans & disk usage  
Your dating yourself.  I saw an 8 inch floppy in the last 80's, maybe around 1987.  It was on an old machine that was getting tossed.  I don't recall much about it except is was running dBII from Ashton-Tate.

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Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Louis Taber <ltaber at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Louis Taber <ltaber at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tfug] SSD plans & disk usage
To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:38 PMHi All,

My plan is to use the SSD as the root device and /usr to help system performance.   I have two 640GByte drives that I am planning on mirroring the rest of the system with and a 250GByte drive for "secondary" backup.   /var, & /home  will definitely not be on the SSD drive.  My plan is to use the SSD for booting and executable binary  to speed up the overall system.  On my current system / and /usr total 9.704GBytes.

The amount of activity on the my log device should be low enough that placing /var on a SSD would make little difference.
In the last 11 hours my system has written 54 lines totaling 3626 bytes to /var/log/syslog --  54 writes in 11 hours.

Has anyone seen any statistics, or know how to acquire them easily on various partitions to see if my plan will result in any obvious improvement in system performance?  (Is the kernel keeping track of reads and writes by partition?)  It might just be a waste of money <sigh>.  

BTW: My first personal disk system cost $1500 or so.  It was two 8 inch floppy drives, controller, power supply, box.  256K Bytes each (If I remember correctly.)  The spindle drive motors were 120VAC motors.  The drives were $500 each,  the controller card, as a kit about $300,   and external box and power supply made up the rest.  I was at IBM at the time I made the purchase.  The date must be about 1979-1980.  I was the first IBM employee to request and get the employee discount on fifty 8 inch floppy disks, which probably cost me about as much as I will spend on the SSD!  Things have changed.

  - LouisOn Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Tom Rini <trini at kernel.crashing.org> wrote:On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Christopher P Robbins
<robbinsc at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Tom Rini <trini at kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Harry McGregor <micros at osef.org> wrote:
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>>> I would recommend buying 20-30% more SSD then you think you will use, as it helps the wear leveling algorithms.
>>
>> And if you go that route, don't forget to start mounting various
>> things as tmpfs and think about what logs you really care about, for
>> how long (and tools like logwatch can be good here too).
>> Is there a "best practice" for mixing storage (ie - SSD with larger SATA drives)?  Would it be best to drop /var/log on SSD and keep media on the SATA?To me, it depends on your application.  What I'm doing (and got me
digging here) is usb stick rootfs on a desktop turned NAS.

For the longest time I've been using logwatch to see if there's
anything I care about going on and short of an easily reproducible
system crasher, I don't care if I have logs for forever.  So I shoved
/var/log onto tmpfs, made logrotate compress and not keep things for
too long (and rc.local mkdir /var/log/{apt,samba}).  I also took a
look at what I do have running and made stuff that's writing/deleting
cache/log files I don't care about use /tmp, which is also a tmpfs.

That's not to say you can't keep /var/log and so on on the SSD and not
have it still have a rather reasonable life span.  But it does make
you question what you really care about.  Further, if you do really
care about logs, a coworker of mine setup something similar to what I
have except it plays fancy games to move the logging over to the RAID
once it's up.
--
Tom

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