[Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....
Malcolm Schmerl
mjs355 at comcast.net
Wed Jun 16 16:17:30 MST 2010
you are extremely misinformed.
Here's a quote from Thomas Jefferson: "The day will come when the
mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the
womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of
Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" (Works, Vol. iv, p. 365).
Ben Franklin: "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions,
and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of
Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when,
after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found
them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of
Revelation itself" (Autobiography, p. 66).
Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of
Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a
Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did
he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her
outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no
ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be
attended by His representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]
James Maddison: "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and
unfits it for every noble enterprise."
-letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774
Thomas Paine: "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the
author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has
stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of
stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of
downright lies."
I could go on with this ad infinitum. These men wrote our Constitution,
and they had a healthy cynicism toward religion. No where in the
Constitution is Christ, The Bible, or God mentioned. In many places
religion is denied; it cannot be used as a test for public office and
the church must remain separated from the state.
On 06/16/2010 02:01 PM, keith smith wrote:
> Interesting artifact. I think this is being misinterpreted. Our
> founders where for the most part Christians and their faith and
> Christian values effected how they did things and it is why we have
> been such a great nation.
>
> There is much history to show this. I do not have any links to share
> however I have done some studying in this area and we were formed from
> the very first settlers as a Christian nation.
>
> I can see why they wrote what they did. If you look at the 1st
> Amendment you can see why they said such a thing - "Congress shall
> make no law respecting an establishment of religion....".
>
> To state in a treaty that the US was a Christian nation would have in
> effect be saying the government had established a religion.
>
> All that aside this Nation was founded on Christian principles by
> Christian men. They prayed and visited the local Christian church
> while in session. There were a few that were weak in their faith
> however they were in the minority.
>
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Wed, 6/16/10, bpoag at comcast.net /<bpoag at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
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> From: bpoag at comcast.net <bpoag at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 1:33 PM
>
>
> Actually.... No. Most of America's founding fathers were Deists.
> Not Christians. They believed in the notion of God, but not
> Christianity. Infact, many of them weren't even ambivalent about
> Christianity. They flat out didn't like Christianity, as you can see:
>
> http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
>
> So, please, PLEASE read up on history, and stop perpetuating the
> "Dehhh, This country was founded on Christian values by Christian
> people!" lie, because that's precisely what it is. I'm a
> Christian. I of course wish such a statement were true, but it
> isn't, and no amount of wishing, interpretation, or re-thinking
> will make it so, and you have a responsibility as a fellow
> Christian to quit spreading BS.
>
> Cheers,
> Bowie
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keith smith" <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:43:22 AM GMT -07:00 U.S.
> Mountain Time (Arizona)
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....
>
>
> Interestingly this country was founded on Christin values by
> Christian people. Our laws used to be derived from the Bible. I
> know they do not teach that in school any longer and history has
> been and is being rewritten.
>
> If it were not for those Christians we would not have the country
> we have with the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
>
> If you have followed what is going on in Texas you will know what
> I am saying is true about the rewriting of history.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/15/10, Robert Hunter /<hunter at tfug.org>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Hunter <hunter at tfug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:25 PM
>
> I'm with Malclom. The nut jobs will need to suck it up, or at
> least
> take time to learn how to use email filters.
>
> A couple of quotes for you to chew on...
>
> It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will
> legislate
> its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do
> so, and
> will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all
> education to
> seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or
> driving underground all heretics.
> --Robert A. Heinlein
>
> Treat your religion like you would your genitalia. It's not
> polite
> to wave it around in public, or shove it down the throats of
> people.
> --Unknown Author
>
> --
> RH
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Malcolm Schmerl
> <mjs355 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > First of all, note that the word 'hell' was never
> capitalized and never used
> > in a religious context.
>
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