[Tfug] OT: PHP Programming leads

Wed Apr 14 15:25:12 MST 2010

I assume I hit a nerve.  That was not my intention.  I wanted to offer some quality PHP Programming leads to some people I know and some people I do not know.  I used to live in Tucson and joined this list in about 1999.  I now live in Phoenix and also offered these leads to the AZ PHP list.

I am unable to work these leads any longer and thought I might pass them on as an experiment.  In my mind I thought maybe those who poses PHP skills and are not getting enough business might find these leads of some value.   

When I was working these leads they were more than I could handle.  The quality was there.  Some, depending on your needs and skill set, might not be so good.  However there is some nice stuff that comes along on a regular basis.

It sounds like you feel these leads are under priced, and maybe they are.  I've had two people tell me there was some good value in these leads.  They were able to get a decent project or two.  Only time will tell if these leads are worth more.

In the mean time I have some legitimate leads that I would like to share with those who may not be getting enough business. 

I have one vacancy.  If you are interested please contact me off list.

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Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Chris Niswander <MOST.SENDERS.ARE._FILTERED.OUT_--FOR.MY.REAL.EMAIL.ADDRESS.check.my.website..tfug.rcvr.x6a3 at bitboost.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Niswander <MOST.SENDERS.ARE._FILTERED.OUT_--FOR.MY.REAL.EMAIL.ADDRESS.check.my.website..tfug.rcvr.x6a3 at bitboost.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] OT: PHP Programming leads
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 1:46 PM
> 
> I was curious whether this was legitimate or not,
> so I did a small amount of digging:
> 
> klsmith2020 at yahoo.com
> has the website http://wwww.netcodeman.com
> (and other websites, which I'll get to later.)
> He's had this website since at least late 2004.
> 
> I did a Google search on [PHP programmer], and
> http://wwww.netcodeman.com was the #2 result (after
> Wikipedia.)
> 
> Over 500 webpages link to http://wwww.netcodeman.com.
> 
> Many are forum posts or other webpages that have comment
> sections
> at the bottom, where comments have been posted by Keith
> that link to his website(s).
> A smaller number are websites that seem to have been
> created
> by Keith Smith for marketing purposes.
> 
> I originally *expected* that I would find a lot of websites
> created by
> Keith Smith *for various clients*, with little links at the
> bottoms of
> each website's pages, to Keith Smith's www.netcodeman.com
> website.
> I was disappointed that I *did not* find many websites
> created by Keith Smith for clients.  I did see a
> website created for a church.
> 
> Most of the websites that appear to have been created by
> Keith Smith
> and link to www.netcodeman.com seem to be somewhat
> contrived websites
> that were created in an attempt to grab a domain name with
> some possible marketing value, show up in Google search for
> something,
> and get people to click on ads or to become leads to sell
> to some
> provider of a product or service such as car insurance. For
> example:
> www.choicearizona.com/LOTS OF PAGES WITH SIMILAR AND/OR
>                
>       SOMEWHAT CONTRIVED CONTENT, TRYING TO
> SELL
>                
>       CAR INSURANCE OR OTHER INSURANCE.
> www.keithsmithlaw.com :
>   No, Keith Smith doesn't run his own law firm;
>   he just wants you to find a lawyer through him.
> 
> In summary, it appears that:
> 1. Keith Smith has been practicing "SEO" and "SEM" as a
>    genuine Internet marketer with some skill
> and actual success at that.
> 2. I think that as #2 in Google for [PHP programmer], with
> a website
>    that has a "Free No Obligation Quote"
> form and Contact form,
>    he must really get leads on PHP
> programming gigs.
> 3. I have no idea whether he really has hot PHP programming
> skills,
>    and whether more than two or three
> clients ever pay him or his
>    company to do PHP programming.  :-)
>    But I guess hanging out in places like
> TFUG, either he knows PHP or
>    he can probably find better PHP
> programmers than just whoever would
>    pay the most for the lead through Google
> AdWords.
>    Also, I would guess that his "Free No
> Obligation Quote" page
>    on www.netcodeman.com probably provides
> relatively high quality leads
>    with more information than a mere click
> on an ad.
> 4. Keith's offer looks sufficiently legit to me that I'm
> not sure
>    why Keith is selling this for only $60 /
> month to 4 people.
> 
> keith smith wrote:
> > Dear PHP Programmers:
> > 
> > Is business slow? Could you handle more programming
> business?
> > 
> > My company has more PHP Programming leads than I can
> handle!  Every month I receive 30 - 40  project
> leads that I am cannot work. I do not work any of these
> leads.  Based on my experience, these programming jobs
> will pay an average of $25 - $75 per hour, sometimes more.
> > 
> > If there is 40 leads in a month and you pay $60.00 for
> the full month, you are paying only $1.50 per lead.  If
> you were using Google's Pay-Per-Click you might be paying
> $30.00 or more per lead. 
> > No long term commitment.  $25 for the rest of
> this month and $60 a month due on the 1st of each month
> thereafter to continue.
> > 
> > Limited to 4 people.  First come first
> serve.  I have 2 vacancies.  All 4 get all the
> leads.
> > 
> > Contact me off list if interested.
> > 
> > ------------------------
> > Keith Smith
> > 
> > 
> >       
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