[Tfug] Apple Mac OS X: tool of Godless Darwinists and Communist / TROLL ALERT?

Mon Jun 22 19:39:06 MST 2009

I just finished watching it.  It is about 12 hours long and I really enjoyed it.

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Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Malcolm Schmerl <mjs355 at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Malcolm Schmerl <mjs355 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Apple Mac OS X: tool of Godless Darwinists and Communist / TROLL ALERT?
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:34 PM
> Imagine that, they have "the Truth."
> 
> keith smith wrote:
> > Try http://www.thetruthproject.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Keith Smith
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Apple Mac OS X: tool of
> Godless Darwinists and Communist / TROLL ALERT?
> >> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> >> Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 4:53 PM
> >>
> >> Hi, Bowie,
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, bpoag at comcast.net
> >> <bpoag at comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>>> On a truly serious note, why do you think
> people
> >>>>         
> >> become
> >>     
> >>>> "zealots"?  (this is not a rhetorical
> question)
> >>>>         
> >>  If you
> >>     
> >>>> *truly* "believe" (whatever you happen to
> >>>>         
> >> believe), then
> >>     
> >>>> why care about what others
> "believe"?  (let's
> >>>>         
> >> please avoid
> >>     
> >>>> the cop-out replies...)
> >>>>         
> >>> Exactly. I would absolutely agree that
> zealotry is
> >>>       
> >> caused
> >>     
> >>> by people who have unresolved doubts, deep
> down...
> >>>       
> >> The
> >>     
> >>> scarier the doubts, the more fiery the zealot.
> Look at
> >>>       
> >> it
> >>     
> >>> this way---There are people out there who
> claim to
> >>>       
> >> have
> >>     
> >>> total faith in God, but still feel
> magnetically drawn
> >>>       
> >> to the
> >>     
> >>> idea of having proof to justify it to
> others--A shroud
> >>>       
> >> in
> >>     
> >>> this church over here, a supposed fragment of
> the
> >>>       
> >> cross in
> >>     
> >>> that church over there, all sorts of little
> fetishes
> >>>       
> >> that
> >>     
> >>> fill in the cracks. All it takes is a Jesus on
> a
> >>>       
> >> tortilla
> >>     
> >>> for these folks to line up and start sobbing,
> >>>       
> >> lighting
> >>     
> >>> candles, and throwing quarters over the velvet
> rope.
> >>>       
> >> Understood.  Though please note, I wasn't
> trying to
> >> single
> >> out *religious* zealots.  Rather, *all*
> zealots.
> >>
> >>     
> >>> I know I love my family, for example. I don't
> feel
> >>> compelled to prove it, since I know
> intrinsically. 
> >>> Similarly, I don't need to see a tortilla to
> know God
> >>>       
> >> is
> >>     
> >>> real, because I know it intrinsically.
> >>>       
> >> Exactly.  A "True Christian" might *like* for
> you to
> >> "be
> >> saved" (whatever that might mean), but I can't see
> someone
> >> *compelled* to "make you save yourself".
> >>
> >> I.e., "smoking is bad", "being overweight is bad",
> "jumping
> >> out
> >> of an airplane without a parachute is bad" -- but,
> if you
> >> want to
> >> *do* them, I don't feel *compelled* to prevent you
> from
> >> doing
> >> so (the gr[ea]y area is when those things have
> >> consequential
> >> impact on others; i.e., if *your* obesity ends up
> costing
> >> *me*
> >> more in health insurance premiums, or if your
> jumping out
> >> of
> >> a plane w/o parachute ends up with your carcass
> falling
> >> through
> >> my living room *roof*, etc.)
> >>
> >>     
> >>> There's nothing wrong with inviting people,
> or
> >>> encouraging people to talk about and learn
> what you
> >>>       
> >> know,
> >>     
> >>> but bashing people over the head with your
> religion
> >>>       
> >> is
> >>     
> >>> counterproductive and stupid. By
> guilt-tripping people
> >>>       
> >> into
> >>     
> >>> religion, you're depriving those individuals
> of the
> >>> unique and deeply personal connection they
> need to
> >>>       
> >> have with
> >>     
> >>> God....A connection that doesn't require a
> damn
> >>>       
> >> tortilla
> >>     
> >>> to bolster. 
> >>>       
> >> Yes (though I am distressed at howmuch this is
> focusing on
> >> "religion").  I had a lover many years ago
> who was a
> >> "holy
> >> roller".  I recall engaging her in an
> argument about
> >> the
> >> existence of God.  After "toying" with her
> for 15
> >> minutes,
> >> I smiled sadly and said, "You miss the
> point.  If
> >> *you* have
> >> FAITH, then that is *the* answer; trying to
> rationally
> >> argue for God's existence turns your religion into
> a
> >> science or pseudo-science (i.e., something that
> can be
> >> *proven*)"
> >>
> >>     
> >>> I am a Christian, and i'll be the first to
> tell you
> >>> that Christianity is absolutely
> buckshot-peppered
> >>>       
> >> with
> >>     
> >>> layers of stupidity so thick and so complex
> that it's
> >>> hard even for the most well-meaning
> individuals to
> >>>       
> >> make
> >>     
> >>> heads or tails of it. I also refuse to believe
> that
> >>>       
> >> the God
> >>     
> >>> who gave us the ability to think and reason
> intended
> >>>       
> >> for us
> >>     
> >>> to not use them. Feel free to pick
> Christianity apart.
> >>>       
> >> I do
> >>     
> >>> all the time. People who call themselves
> Christians,
> >>>       
> >> but are
> >>     
> >>> then hesitant to take apart and examine their
> own
> >>>       
> >> beliefs in
> >>     
> >>> detail are fundamentally cowards looking more
> prefer
> >>>       
> >> comfort
> >>     
> >>> to truth.
> >>>       
> >> Or, use it to rationalize their actions. 
> E.g., the
> >> clown
> >> who executed the abortion doctor.
> >>
> >> Buddy Hackett (sp?) has some excellent stand-up
> routines
> >> where he throws (small) barbs at Christians. 
> I find
> >> it
> >> amusing how readily (some) folks will laugh at
> these
> >> comments -- yet fail to see the truth in them
> (much good
> >> humor has truth as its basis).
> >>
> >> But, I would hate to focus this discussion on
> purely
> >> "religious"
> >> issues.  I make the same claims about *all*
> >> zealots.  E.g.,
> >> whether you're touting your version of gawd, your
> favorite
> >> restaurant (BTW, *the* best Italian restaurant,
> IMO, is in
> >> Liverpool; the second and third best are in NYC),
> your
> >> OS/application of choice or your idea of "the
> best"
> >> pistachio
> >> nuts (hands down, Zenobia) or potato chips
> (amazing how
> >> fervently chip eaters cling to their favorite
> brands!)...
> >>
> >>
> >>       
> >>
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