[Tfug] [SPAM] World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007

[Malcolm Schmerl]

I couldn't agree more. Everybody should try to grow some food even if 
it's just a tomato plant in a pot. If you garden, you get some exercise 
and eat better, not to mention an endless list of benefits to the 
environment.

Ronald Sutherland wrote:
> It would be interesting to know a ratio of people that can grow food
> in there back yards if needed. It's not an easy thing to do, growing
> food is a complex skill, and bad things happen from pest and ilk.
> Before oil most people had experience growing some of their food
> requirements, but now its very uncommon. From what I see/read, we use
> oil as 1/3 for food (fertilizer/pesticide/land work), 1/3 transport,
> and 1/3 plastics, so growing our own food is the single biggest
> savings of oil that is possible. The question as I see it is can a
> home garden be done without fertilizer, pesticide, and rototiller?
> Home garden transport is nil, and no need for plastic wrappers that
> fill the dumps and waste oil. The idea that oil will become
> increasingly less available is freighting to anyone that has not
> composted their mind with the most effective mulching system ever
> devised, TV (hehe I like learning new words, and mixing them with old
> ideas). Anyway, I'm finding the Ideas in Permaculture very infectious,
> and basically I think the best preparation for those tipping points is
> not hoarding, but local food production. Hoarding is just like
> painting a big red bulls eye on your house, and sharing or trade is
> not likely, on the other hand growing food is much less of a treasure
> chest, and over production can be traded or given away, sound
> familiar, thus increasing your value in the community. Finally, if
> there was a New World Order ran by some organized group, an infectious
> mind virus going around, how in the hell will they exercise control of
> communities that can take care of its self.
>
> I guess my concern is if, so many are caught with their pants down
> when we hit a tipping point its going to be to late, and all that is
> needed is a fair percentage say 30 percent doing home gardening at the
> tipping event. If we can just get past the tipping event then in terms
> of surviving, we are home free, cause everyone will dig in. At least
> that's what I'm starting to think.
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Steve Franks <stevefranks at ieee.org> wrote:
>   
>> Interesting to compare this thread to the freemason thread.  Here I
>> see people actually attempting to communicate, discuss, etc...
>>
>> Quite agree with the oil=food observation.  The question now is if we
>> can still make fertilizer & pesticide out of tar sands.  I for one am
>> not so worried about the bunny rabbits, baby seals, and polar bears,
>> but more my children.  Why have them if you're playing roulette with
>> their ability to feed themselves?  The cockroaches don't need
>> alternative energy.  We need FOSS food ;)
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>     
>
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