[Tfug] [SPAM] World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007

[Ronald Sutherland]

It would be interesting to know a ratio of people that can grow food
in there back yards if needed. It's not an easy thing to do, growing
food is a complex skill, and bad things happen from pest and ilk.
Before oil most people had experience growing some of their food
requirements, but now its very uncommon. From what I see/read, we use
oil as 1/3 for food (fertilizer/pesticide/land work), 1/3 transport,
and 1/3 plastics, so growing our own food is the single biggest
savings of oil that is possible. The question as I see it is can a
home garden be done without fertilizer, pesticide, and rototiller?
Home garden transport is nil, and no need for plastic wrappers that
fill the dumps and waste oil. The idea that oil will become
increasingly less available is freighting to anyone that has not
composted their mind with the most effective mulching system ever
devised, TV (hehe I like learning new words, and mixing them with old
ideas). Anyway, I'm finding the Ideas in Permaculture very infectious,
and basically I think the best preparation for those tipping points is
not hoarding, but local food production. Hoarding is just like
painting a big red bulls eye on your house, and sharing or trade is
not likely, on the other hand growing food is much less of a treasure
chest, and over production can be traded or given away, sound
familiar, thus increasing your value in the community. Finally, if
there was a New World Order ran by some organized group, an infectious
mind virus going around, how in the hell will they exercise control of
communities that can take care of its self.

I guess my concern is if, so many are caught with their pants down
when we hit a tipping point its going to be to late, and all that is
needed is a fair percentage say 30 percent doing home gardening at the
tipping event. If we can just get past the tipping event then in terms
of surviving, we are home free, cause everyone will dig in. At least
that's what I'm starting to think.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Steve Franks <stevefranks at ieee.org> wrote:
> Interesting to compare this thread to the freemason thread.  Here I
> see people actually attempting to communicate, discuss, etc...
>
> Quite agree with the oil=food observation.  The question now is if we
> can still make fertilizer & pesticide out of tar sands.  I for one am
> not so worried about the bunny rabbits, baby seals, and polar bears,
> but more my children.  Why have them if you're playing roulette with
> their ability to feed themselves?  The cockroaches don't need
> alternative energy.  We need FOSS food ;)
>
> Steve
>