[Tfug] tfug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 45
Rich
r-lists at studiosprocket.com
Mon Oct 27 23:54:16 MST 2008
Thanks Paul -- yeah, FF2 could be pushed as an option until I can get
a 64-bit Java plugin working...
R.
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:15 am, Paul Steinbach wrote:
> We are heavy users of Centos and Firefox on thin clients. When the
> jump to FF3 broke an app on IIS we installed FF2 in /opt/ and
> hacked the htmlview for those users. Just a thought...
>
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>> 1. Re: List confusion (erich)
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>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:12:16 -0700
>> From: erich <erich1 at copper.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tfug] List confusion
>> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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>> OK,
>> I was quietly doing my own form of censorship, and deleting
>> his posts on the webmail
>> interface before downloading messages into my server. Thanks. I am
>> now spared of that
>> chore.
>>
>>
>> Erich
>>
>> Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Eric Christian's posts are being moderated. I've seen too many
>>> people unsubscribe over the past weeks. Some voiced it to the
>>> list, others privately to me and some just silently left. Before
>>> we go in to how those people need to use Gmail and mute people,
>>> learn how to ignore or just get a thicker skin I want to back
>>> track and talk a bit about the history of the list and what it
>>> used to be used for.
>>>
>>> Tyler and other people long ago founded the Tucson Free Unix
>>> Group as a place for people to talk openly about Free Unix (which
>>> branched in to Linux), find solutions to problems, general
>>> networking with other people in the local community and possibly
>>> beyond and anything else technology related. I came on board
>>> several years after it's inception and was loosely affiliated by
>>> mere association with one or more of the founding members. I've
>>> seen it go through many changes. The main change and the one I
>>> think most would agree is the focus of topics from technology
>>> related to just an open forum where anything goes and staying
>>> farther away from its roots.
>>>
>>> Only recently have things gotten worse and the catalyst in many
>>> people's eyes was Eric and the people that can't help but promote
>>> the thread by responding and fueling his desire to "inform"
>>> people of all the bad things he's found on the Internet.
>>>
>>> This is the sole reason he has been moderated. I'm trying my best
>>> to be nice about it all but at the end of the day he's just a
>>> troll and he has succeeded in doing what trolls do - posting to
>>> the list with one agenda, to annoy people. I've moderated his
>>> posts and will review each one. If it's clear it's on topic I'll
>>> let him send to the list. If not it'll get rejected.
>>>
>>> I want this list to be as constructive as possible and I do
>>> realize that from time-to-time people are going to stray OT. That
>>> doesn't mean I'm going to come down on them for doing so. Eric
>>> was a repeat offender and it was clear he was only posting
>>> garbage and I for one was tired of seeing it as I know other
>>> people were too.
>>>
>>> I know some people will not like the decision to do this. For
>>> them I apologize and would like to loosely quote someone on the
>>> list - 'Maybe you should change your expectations' ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:44:14 -0700
>> From: Rich <r-lists at studiosprocket.com>
>> Subject: [Tfug] 32-bit browser plugins on 64-bit OS
>> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
>> Message-ID: <A950A5F6-D6D3-4566-A6CF-4172C459D5D8 at studiosprocket.com>
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>> *dodges the tumbleweed*
>>
>> Time for a puzzler.
>>
>> RHEL and CentOS come in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. They've
>> recently upgraded the browser in v4.7 to Firefox 3.x. I guess
>> these are CentOS related, because RedHat has made it clear to me
>> that they won't support any of these options.
>>
>> Here's the difficulty. Without moving to an alternate browser
>> (Opera, for instance), how can I get *all* the useful 32-bit
>> plugins to function properly?
>>
>> These are: Acrobat Reader, Flash, Java, and Helix (Real)
>>
>> First option: nspluginwrapper
>> So far, I have the 64-bit Firefox, with some 64-bit plugins, plus
>> nspluginwrapper, which provides a platform for 32-bit plugins on
>> 64- bit browsers.
>>
>> Acroread, flash, and helix work fine. But the 32-bit java plugin
>> doesn't work. I get something similar to this (not at the box
>> right now)
>>
>> # nspluginwrapper -i <path-to-java-plugin>
>> This is not a valid NPAPI plugin
>>
>> I know the next version of Java is supposed to include a 64-bit
>> plugin. Great. So in six months time I'll stop asking...
>>
>> Second option: 32-bit browser
>> Next line of attack was to use a 32-bit Firefox. Here's how this
>> fails:
>>
>> * removed 64-bit Firefox
>> * installed 32-bit Firefox and the *advertised* dependencies from
>> the media
>> * installed the *secret* dependencies (libcairo and libpangocairo)
>>
>> Now when I launch firefox, it complains it requires GTK+ 2.10 or
>> greater.
>>
>> RHEL4.x uses GTK+ 2.4, but RedHat backported Firefox 3.x so it
>> can run on GTK+ 2.4 instead.
>>
>> So, I'm wondering if anyone's determined what else is needed to
>> get Firefox 32-bit to realize it's been backported, and that GTK
>> +2.4 is okay!
>>
>> This wouldn't be a problem if GTK+ was at 2.10, but that would
>> mean upgrading half the OS -- to run the Java plugin.
>>
>> Question 3: is there a portable 32-bit Firefox that installs
>> anywhere (y'know, like Windows and Mac have?)
>>
>> Question 4 (marked philosophical/OT): Why bother with 64-bit
>> browsers at all? The point of 64-bit apps is to gain access to
>> >4GB of RAM. But if your browser is using more than 4GB of RAM,
>> there's a problem, right?
>>
>> R.
>>
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