[Tfug] OT A word of thanks

[bpoag at comcast.net]

Ding ding ding.. Exactly.

Wan't a job? Prove it. Be persistant, but not aggrevating. Act like a fish nipping at the bait. It keeps your name fresh.

The company you're applying for is not in the business of helping you get a job elsewhere, nor are they interested in helping you get a job with their competitors. If the half a dozen or so people i've had the task of hiring over the years, I only sat down with one and explained to him why he wasn't going to get the job---And that was only because he was a kid, and so blatantly lied on his resume' that I wanted to shame him into being honest for his own sake.

(That kid in particular showed up to his interview in a business suit, but wearing dirty sneakers. He'd fail the butter knife test, even if he had the skills, which he lied about. Couldn't even write a simple Hello World, despite his "extensive knowledge of C++".)

Cheers,
Bowie



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Josh Miller" <joshnmiller at comcast.net>
> Matt has got a point, although I don't think it justifies the kind of anger
> he displays in his email.
> 
> It *would* be nice if companies always followed up with their applicants
> with a nice "no thank you" letter.  Unfortunately, the reality is that many
> don't, so expecting one is setting yourself up for disappointment.
> 
> That being said, it's the applicant's responsibility, and to his benefit, to
> follow up with the prospective employer after the interview, by phone, email
> and mail.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tfug-bounces at tfug.org [mailto:tfug-bounces at tfug.org] On Behalf Of
> > Bowie J. Poag
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:56 PM
> > To: Tucson Free Unix Group
> > Subject: Re: [Tfug] OT A word of thanks
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gee, i'm surprised your phone isn't ringing off the hook, there,
> > buddy...
> > 
> > Here's a hint. It's alot easier to speak in a job interview when you
> > head is outside your anal cavity. In my experience, sit down job
> > interviews in IT are rarely about qualifications. They're about
> > personality. By the time your phone rings, they've already decided if
> > you're /qualified /or not. They don't call people in to have them
> > recite
> > what's already on paper in front of them. The purpose of the interview
> > is to establish whether or not you're a damn wingnut, and how well
> > you'll get along with the other employees.  Most of the time, they can
> > tell if you're full of shit just by how you word your resume'. The
> > purpose of the interview is to see if you shower regularly, and see if
> > you're the type of person who can go more than 5 minutes in a room by
> > yourself without shoving a butter knife into an electrical outlet.
> > Given
> > the snippet below, you've probably failed the butter knife test more
> > than a few times:
> > 
> > "I remember a time, not that long ago where people had more
> > integrity to TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE that a prospect didn't have a skill
> > that
> > they were looking for or for whatever reason, they just really didn't
> > fit
> > whatever wants (looks, goals, what have you) that the company in a
> > whole was
> > looking for. IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE DON'T CALL THEM IN TO BEGIN
> > WITH. I
> > have been looking for someone to hire me for the last 7 months, I don't
> > have
> > the time to be teased with the thought and hope ACTUALLY having some
> > local
> > work."
> > 
> > If you run around thinking a prospective employer owes you /anything/,
> > guess again.  They owe you nothing. And if you don't land a job, don't
> > spout off about it. Be grateful for the opportunity, not resentful of
> > the failure.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Bowie
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Matthew T. Eskes wrote:
> > > I am writing this email in regards of one that I had sent out a while
> > back
> > > asking fellow list members if they had any leads for some work. I
> > would like
> > > to thanks those of you who had replied to me with the leads for
> > places like
> > > TMC and such. I greatly appreciate it. However there were also some
> > on the
> > > list that were in the hiring positions that emailed as well and I
> > have to
> > > say that I am a little disappointed. While some of them called me in
> > for an
> > > interview they did not have the decency to call me back or mail me a
> > "you
> > > suck" letter as I like to call them, telling me that I wasn't hired
> > on for
> > > whatever reason. I remember a time, not that long ago where people
> > had more
> > > integrity to TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE that a prospect didn't have a
> > skill that
> > > they were looking for or for whatever reason, they just really didn't
> > fit
> > > whatever wants (looks, goals, what have you) that the company in a
> > whole was
> > > looking for. IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE DON'T CALL THEM IN TO BEGIN
> > WITH. I
> > > have been looking for someone to hire me for the last 7 months, I
> > don't have
> > > the time to be teased with the thought and hope ACTUALLY having some
> > local
> > > work. My advice for you, and you guys know who you are, is to start
> > thinking
> > > about the prospective employee, the employees and your bottom line if
> > you
> > > would like to start having a better reputation. I have OWNED my own
> > > business, and had the SAME hiring responsibilities as you folks and I
> > have
> > > come to learn that in order to have a prosperous and successful
> > business,
> > > you have to build a reputation as being good to your prospective
> > employees
> > > so that when they ARE NEEDED they will come back and hopefully become
> > a part
> > > of your business family. You guys and business practices disgust me.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> 
> 
> 
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