[Tfug] OT: Big Oil? Windows Vista!

[Ronald Sutherland]

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:09 AM, johngalt1 <johngalt1 at uswest.net> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keith smith" <klsmith2020>
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] OT: Big Oil? Windows Vista!
>
>
> >A truly free market will take care of gas prices.
>
> What is the chance of that happening in the oil market? Nil,
> I say.
>
> >Alternatives are becoming more viable.
>
> More viable, but not as a replacement... for some time to
> come.
>
> > I think I mentioned in an earlier thread that if solar
> > takes off I suspect it will do the sames as computers have
> > done.  And if that is so, one will be able to buy a solar
> > panel that is the size of a laptop for several hundred
> > dollars that will be able to power your house, in say 5 to
> > 10 years....
>
> This is impossible. Will anyone tell why this just can't
> happen? Maybe the poster that tests things will say why.


Silicon base PV is over 30 years old and is as cheap as it will ever be, its
production is fully automated and requires very high energy, energy consumed
is what you are paying for (its price is going up now because of the price
of energy).
However, Nanosolar is working on a type of PV cell that is not silicon, it
may have a lower energy debt, but as others may point out they will want to
make monies on it.

http://www.nanosolar.com/

Hell even if my heat engine works, and I find a way to do concentrating
solar power in a cost effective way, I would like to make monies...

But I will say this once a plan to build a heat engine is in say the patent
office, designers can make CAD drawings that just about any machine shop can
use, however it looks very difficult to duplicate the nanosolar method, and
I have no clue how durable and cost effective there product will be, but at
least there is not an oil company involved :-)

Hear is an example of another heat engine, I'm trying a different type of
engine, but hay I like theres also:
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/

So I guess the question is will something replace/offset oil in time, or
will economic entropy and high oil prices finally stop our machines.

BTW since silicon PV takes so much oil and coal, is our increasing
subsidized use of them helping to drive up the price of oil and coal? Do you
get the idea that I feel sick every time I see silicon PV on roofs, although
I'm not sure I would recognize the nanosolar stuff (I know its not blue).


>
> But, what's the point of believing in BS?
>
>
We are all full of BS, its like the fuel we run on or something... but open
source seems to do better vetting than closed source.

What if I could rake up my yard and put that in a /bin in my car, and drive
to work on it?  My yard would be clean, wow...
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