>>...finally settled on this: http://ubergeek.tv/tfug/tfug_logo.png >...a shirt would be cool. The martini glass, however, makes it look more like a drinking club or a bar ad than a computer group. I agree, for what its worth. My suggestion would be for a Tucson/Tucson area type theme/logo. For example, the Las Vegas lug uses a gambling theme. http://lvlug.org/