[Tfug] Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End

[keith smith]

Why would they have to give the telecoms immunity if they were aiding in helping catch foreigners in a foreign land? 

I think there is more to the story.  They are sniffing everything they can.  It is called fishing.  Under the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution this is a violation.

We are protected by the US Constitution not foreigners in a foreign land.

Again why do they have to give the telecoms immunity?

Something is amiss here.

Does it not concern you that someone wants to take away your rights?




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--- On Thu, 7/10/08, Ben Slote <bslote at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ben Slote <bslote at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End
To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:26 PM



On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:50 PM, johngalt1 <johngalt1 at uswest.net> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: "keif smif" <klsmif2020 at yahoo.com>

To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Tfug] Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End





> The violate my rights by not obtaining a search warrant

> per the 4th Amendment.



Your rights are/were violated... hypothetically?



Oh....



Do you believe they HAVE searched YOU?


They are reading your emails.


They are listening to your phone conversations.


They are doing .... what else to you?



 "When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist."

Sure, they may not be spying on _him_. But we _collectively_, as American citizens, have certain unalienable rights. Why turn a blind eye because you directly are not a target?





Have you considered you might be taking 3G media equivalents

of the National Enquirer too literally?



In TFUG, I see k* s* references to Ale x Jo nes, and info wa

rs.com



If you like those sites, why not consider viewing



http://www.killinghope.org



http://truthout.org



HAVE FUN!





P.S.

If anyone thinks I'm off-base or otherwise ignorant, please

explain.



Thanks.







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> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, johngalt1 <johngalt1 at uswest.net>

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> From: johngalt1 <johngalt1 at uswest.net>

> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End

> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>

> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 9:03 PM

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "keith smith" <klsmith2020>

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> Subject: [Tfug] Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End

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>> I can't believe what I read on ABCnews.com - Spy Bill

>> Debate Comes to an End

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>> I posted my rant on Craigslist.org -

>> http://tucson.craigslist.org/pol/748692546.html

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>> All I can say is I need a blog.

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> Yes, you probably do.

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> When you say,

>> why do we need a bill that violated my rights as an

>> American Citizen?

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> I would like to hear how your rights were violated. What

> happened to you?

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>> Keith Smith

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