[Tfug] OT: Cox cable

[keith smith]

What I was trying to say was by accessing someone else's wifi that is connect to their cable account, if done with intent to avoid getting their own cable account, and especially w/o permission accesses the cable network w/o authorization that probably would be viewed as a violation under Arizona Revised Statute.

In my opinion, it does not matter how one connects or how many layers they have to go through, if ultimately they access a cable network w/o permission or in an attempt to obtain free service  they may be in violation of one or more state statutes.

On the other hand if a person has their own internet connection and accidentally w/o intent connect to another's wifi I think this would not be viewed as a violation of the 2 laws I quoted.

This is an interesting exchange.  I think there are a number of arguments that can be made.

 

Keith



Tyler Kilian <vaca at GrazeLand.COM> wrote: Right, but the theft is at the network access, not the act of plugging 
in the wifi to your own cable.  I read your e-mail as saying that 
attaching an AP to your cable modem would be illegal.  sorry!


On Jan 27, 2007, at 4:44 PM, keith smith wrote:

> It does in the case where the wifi is connected to the cable modem.  
> The cable modem is authorized for the use of the account holder only.  
> How you attach is irrelevant.  If you are not the subscriber to the 
> cable account I think the below sited Arizona statue applies.
>
> Example:  If I connect a cable splitter to the cable coming out of the 
> cable box at my neighbor's house and run that split to my house I'm 
> sure that would be considered cable theft.
>
> I am connected to an authorized box however I am not the account 
> holder.
>
> I think intent comes into play here.  What is my intent.  Given the 
> above example it would be to deprive the cable company of their fees 
> or to save myself some money in doing so.
>
> That opens another statute :
>
> 13-1802. Theft; classification
>
> A. A person commits theft if, without lawful authority, the person 
> knowingly:
> 13-1802.6. Obtains services known to the defendant to be available 
> only for compensation without paying or an agreement to pay the 
> compensation or diverts another's services to the person's own or 
> another's benefit without authority to do so.
>
> Keep in mind that while this is a misdemeanor if under $1000, however 
> if cable internet service is $50/mo then at 20 months it could become 
> a class 6 felony.
>
> Short URL
>
> Keith
>
>
> Tyler Kilian  wrote: It doesn't attach to the 
> cable system, it attaches to the cable modem,
> which is an authorized device.
>
> Tyler
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 1:27 PM, keith smith wrote:
>
>> Check this out.  If the wifi is connected to a cable provider it could
>> be a misdemeanor under Arizona law:
>>
>>
>>      A.  Any person who with the intent to defraud another of any part
>> of the lawful  charge for services that are provided over or by a
>> licensed cable television system as  defined in section 9-505, makes
>> any unauthorized connection, whether physically,  electrically,
>> acoustically, inductively or otherwise, or attaches any unauthorized
>> device  or devices to any cable, wire, microwave or other component of
>> a licensed cable  television system, to a television set or to any
>> other instrument that is authorized to  be attached to a cable
>> television system is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.
>>
>>
>> The Law
>>
>>
>>
>> bigj at flatwan.net wrote: >> Prison don't scare me ;)
>>>
>>> But with the RIAA, MPAA, and now Windows genuine advantage suing
>>> people left and right, eventually people will wise up, encrypt their
>>> networks, and there will be eventual e-mail request for tfuggers to
>>> put in their 5 bucks to post bail for bigj:)
>>>
>>
>> The prisons don't scare me. It's the unwanted sex that does.
>>
>> Do you really think manufacturers will make configuring wireless AP's
>> and
>> connecting to them afterwards easier? The optimist in me says yes but
>> the
>> realist says no.
>>
>> --
>> Jon
>>
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