[Tfug] Cheap Memory

Mon Dec 17 20:52:56 MST 2007

If we lived in vacuum that would work.  We are along for the ride.

I recently asked a PHP group about using Delphi for PHP and  was give the same thoughts.  Less efficient code.  Okay so maybe it is.

>From a pure business standpoint using a visual development environment makes perfect sense if it provides a means for creating apps in less time and also standardizes the way apps are built.

Isn't this deja vu of hand coded desktop apps Vs Vusual Basic, Delphi, VCC, Vusial FoxPro... ETC.

I can tell you I was able to crank out 10 times the app using Visual FoxPro than I was able to do by hand using foxBase+.

People are expensive, machines are cheap and we are along for the ride.

Ponder this.  In 1995 I was buying single 1m sticks of RAM for $40.00.
1Gig today is maybe $59.00.  Yikes 1 Gig in 1995 would have been $40,960.00 at $40 a Mb.

So if I can throw $59.00 or $108.00 worth of RAM (1 or 2 Gigs) and save more than 2 hours of programming time, I have broken even.  If I use some "bloated" development tool that cuts a 300 hour project in half then from a business perspective I just may have saved $7,500 or more.

Would you spend $108.00 to save upwards of $7,500 ?

As W2 situation is a regular employee, they are accounted for via a W2. A contract employee is accounted for via a 1099.

So a $65,000/yr employee cost the company $80,000 to $90,000 a year and work roughly 1800 hours.  90000/1800 = $50/hr +

Now answer this.  If we stayed with 8088 class hardware and 20mb HD's do you think you would have a job today.... and what about the robust economy we have been enjoying?

Bloat ware might be a good thing after all....

johngalt1 <johngalt1 at uswest.net> wrote: You ask others about their thoughts. What are your thoughts
about the topic, Keith?

What's a w2 situation?

I'd say that coder was lazy, incompetent, or incredibly
self-centered. The jist of it is that the coder can crap out
an un-optimized POS. Then, if the user has a problem running
the app, their hardware needs upgrading. (they need to pay
more money to make the app work)

In economics class they called that an externalized cost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost#Negative_externalities_of_production
To quote: Such externalities are a result of firms
externalising their costs onto a third party in order to
reduce their own total cost. . As a result of externalising
such costs we see that members of society will be negatively
affected by such behaviour of the firm. In this case, we see
that an increased cost of production on society creates a
social cost curve that depicts a greater cost than the
private cost curve

That is Bravo-Sierra

The interpretation for Keith is.... Bull sh*t

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keith smith" <>
To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Tfug] Cheap Memory

>
> That is how most will look at the statement of "It only
> has 1GB of RAM.".
>
> There is another school of thought.... if a techie cost
> upwards of $100/hr in a w2 situation and a Gig of ram cost
> $59 or so and if a little RAM can overcome some long hours
> optimizing code.... lets throw some RAM at it.
>
> So what are your thoughts?
>
>
>
> "Bowie J. Poag" <> wrote:
> It happened today.
>
> I was reading some message board, where someone actually
> said "It only
> has 1GB of RAM."
>
> Thats a sad, sad statement when you think about it. Just
> how horribly
> bloated an simple desktop-centric operating system has to
> be to not
> manage or utilize such a resource correctly.
>
> Not to get Paul started on the elegance of OS/2, but, I
> can recall not
> too long ago seeing my mid 1990's Amiga absolutely fly on
> 4MB RAM.
> Thats 1/512th the memory.. With no such thing as virtural
> memory, it
> forced application writers to create healthy, relatively
> fat-free code.
> Now, the only qualifying factor is "does it run?"
>
> Sad.
>
> Cheers,
> Bowie
>
>
> Bexley Hall wrote:
>> Greetings!
>>
>> --- George Cohn  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I needed to speed up my Windoze XP box because I am
>>> learning Adobe Flash
>>> and it runs kind of slow with only 1gb.
>>>
>>
>>   Doesn't *everything* run slow on Windows?  :>
>>
>>
>>> I checked around and Circuit
>>> City had Kingston 512 DDR PC3200 memory at $29.99.
>>>
>>> I grabbed the last one they had on the shelf at the
>>> Broadway store but they may have more in stock.
>>>
>>> Just passing this along if anybody needs more memory
>>> for an older machine.
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm... I think I have several 512MB DDR sticks at
>> home.  How do I determine speed?  (I assume it is
>> marketing-hyped bogus number loosely related to
>> access time -- 1/rate -- and data width)
>>
>> Sure would be nice if they would print these things
>> in plain English on the devices (or, at least with
>> something larger than 2 pt. type!!)
>>
>> --don
>>
>>
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