Ok maybe its just casue I have not delt with sendmail for a bit, but this seems odd sockstat -l (Freebsd 4.6-p1) root sendmail 92 3 tcp4 *:25 *:* root sendmail 92 5 tcp4 *:587 *:* I understand port 25 as the standard smtp port, but what is 587 being used for? Keith Davey